Arlo, You have a certain correctness here but it misses my point I think.
> [Arlo] > "Describing Quality" is the experience. The "description", symbols arranged > on > a page, is an artifact of that experience. > > So, describing *a* metaphysics of Quality is an experience of Quality, yes. > John: "an experience of Quality" in the way I meant it, has the connotation of a concomitant experience of pleasure. A good feeling, as well as a pedantic correctness. Peace of mind is not an inconsequential byproduct of the metaphysical process - it's the whole thing in the MoQ. Arlo: > Of course, the phrase "metaphysics of Quality" is redundant, and so is > "experience of Quality".... > > John: And redundancies are not high quality experience, right? They're sort of boring, in fact. That's why the term redundant carries a pejorative connotation. But I'm thinking then, by using the term "experience of Quality" in the way that I do, I'm pointing at that phrase in a way which transcends the redundancy, due to the connotations of the phrase. If I say a movie or book or conversation (or a dog) was "an experience of quality", then you get what I mean in a way that is more than mere metaphysical definition of experience. You get that I mean it was subjectively to me, a good experience - I enjoyed it. "That's a good dog" is a statement of layered meaning, in this conversational context. Arlo: Describing a metaphysics is part of real, lived experience. > > And of course, "describing a metaphysics" is redundant too... > > "Describing" is a part of real, lived experience. > > John: Yes, it is... and yet it isn't. In some ways, intellectual descriptions of experience are sort of avoidance of "real, lived experience". It's more along the lines of a menu rather than the food. I guess this point is only as important as you are how hungry you are. I sort of am. Yours, John Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
