Hello everyone On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:54 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Mar 16, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Dan Glover wrote: > >> Hello everyone >> >> On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 3:14 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Greetings Dan, > > That's interesting but I have a very different interpretation of a static > pattern of value. > To start with a pattern is not just one occurrence. It is not an independent > event, > but, using chair as an example, related to your past history with the > chair-pattern; > it also is dependent on immediate sensory experience with the chair, and > possible > some future expectation for this chair.
Hi Marsha What chair are we talking about? Some mythical magical chair existing in the same realm as the tree falling in the forest with no one around? What chair? Marsha: Besides this, it has an interdependence with > all other chair events both inside and outside the immediate culture and with > the > events across all cultures and all languages in all contexts through all time. > In other words, a chair-pattern for me can best be represented by all that is > opposite-from-non-chair. This would likewise hold for the justice-pattern, > wood-pattern, leg-pattern, or a zebra-pattern. A chair-pattern event could > not > encompass the entire pattern, but includes only those bits and pieces that are > significant to the event. Dan: Well, to my mind, the MOQ states that a chair, like anything else, is composed of patterns of value. What do you mean by "chair-pattern-event"? I don't recognize that as a viable term within the MOQ. >Marsha: > If the chair-pattern is represented only by the chair you are sitting on, > then how > do you recognize it as a chair? Dan: You asked "How are static patterns of value "defined and discrete"? I used my chair as an example of a static pattern of value and how it is defined and discrete. I didn't intend my chair to represent all chairs... it is an analogy. I recognize it as a chair as I am immersed in the 21st century Western culture and I know (as I assume you do too) what an office chair is. I answered you questions to the best of my ability within the framework of the MOQ, not from my own perspective. On a side note, I get the feeling you are playing games here again but I will give you the benefit of the doubt. For now. Marsha: Certainly not by some Platonic ideal form, or a > master-definition found is some encyclopedia or dictionary. For me 'chair' is > a name given to an accumulation of useful value (events) that tends to persist > and change in a predictable pattern. Dan: I've searched my copy of LILA and found no mention of value events. I think this is misleading and confusing. > .Marsha: > From my point-of-view, my interpretation makes more sense, so I guess we > have different concepts of static patterns of value. Dan: I guess we do have different concepts, but the question is, which is more in line with the MOQ? Thank you, Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
