Greetings, I had this email saved in my MoQ folder under the title of 'Paradox'. I hope Arlo does not mind me reposting it; I only save posts I think are the most brilliant. ;-) ---
Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:43 AM Subject: Re: [MD] The Word is Not the Thing [Arlo asked] Can anyone name ANY static pattern that is NOT in some manner of flux? [Platt] The static meaning of your contention never fluxes. [Arlo] Sure it does. It did not exist a million years ago. I will not exist in a million years. Along the way, we contend as best we can with the paradox inherent in any self-reflexive symbolic system, and as our understand improves, so to can we craft better pointers. In fact, my own personal "meaning" in how I see this has changed a great deal over my life. In the meantime we are left with language that creates "essentially a contradiction in terms, a logical absurdity... almost like a mathematical definition of randomness" (ZMM) To quote/paraphrase Pirsig again, "What this means logically is that as you try to move toward unchanging truth through the application of [logic], you actually do not move toward it at all. You move away from it!" Pirsig, that Great Postmodernist, is fully aware of the inherent incompleteness of language. "Since the One is the source of all things and includes all things in it, it cannot be defined in terms of those things, since no matter what thing you use to define it, the thing will always describe something less than the One itself." (ZMM) Yes, the Great Postmodernist Pirsig knew that because of the inherent incompleteness of language, "The One can only be described allegorically, through the use of analogy, of figures of imagination and speech." (ZMM) While you continue to think that "It's a fact there are no facts" represents some sort of intellectual "gotcha", for Pirsig and Zen Masters and other postmodern thinkers such a thing simply points to what they already know, language is incomplete, paradoxically recursive, and logically inconsistent when used self-reflexively. It ain't rocket science. Nice try, though. [Platt] ... from the mouth of the great enlightened Zen Master, Arlo. . [Arlo] Are you off your meds? Is that what's going on? Your desire to attack me is becoming relentless. At least offer up SOME substantive point along the way. Sheeesh... --- ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
