Hi Ron, The quote you provide by Pirsig may be a necessary premise for MoQ, or maybe not. The fact that DQ and SQ are inexorably linked is due to definition. Such linkage is formed through human experience and the rhetorical devide of the two. However, depending on one's definition, it is possible to conceive of a DQ without SQ, but not the other way around. So, I would temper your moral victory here as well.
Phenomenology is fine, but it is only one branch of philosophy. It does not comprise the totality of metaphysics. Mark On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 5:27 PM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On Mar 21, 2011, at 9:07 AM, Andre Broersen wrote: >> >>> Andre: >>> In trying to defend yourself you're playing with words again Marsha... >> >> >> Marsha: >> And you're playing with a different set of words. >> >> In my understanding, sq is not other than DQ(Quality), or put another way: >> the patterned is not other than the unpatterned. >> >> >> Ron: >> This truth should be at the root of all meaning, but when it becomes dogma >> it champions and glorifies meaningless-ness undercutting Pirsigs MoQ. >> >> > > Marsha: > > There is just as much dogma in insisting that it is as in insisting that it > isn't; > > therefore, the answer is yes, no and all of the above. > > > Pirsig: > "Neither static nor Dynamic Quality can survive without the other. > If one inserts this concept into a case such as that of the brujo in Zuni, > one can see the truth of it. Although the Dynamic brujo and the static > priests who tortured him appeared to be mortal enemies, they were actually > necessary to each other. Both types of people had to exist. If most of Zuni > went around drunk and bragging and looking in windows, that ancient way of > life could never have lasted. But without wild, disreputable outcasts like > the brujo, ready to seize on any new outside idea and bring it into the > community, Zuni would have been too inflexible to survive. A tension between > these two forces is needed to continue the evolution of life. > The beauty of that old Indian, Phaedrus thought, is that he seemed to have > understood this. He wasn't interested in just knocking things down and > walking off into the sunset with some kind of a moral victory. The old > priestly ways would have come back and all his suffering would have been > wasted. He didn't do that. He stayed around the rest of his life, became > a part of the static pattern of the tribe, and lived to see his reforms > become a part of the tribe's ongoing culture. > Slowly at first, and then with increasing awareness that he was going in a > right direction, Phaedrus' central attention turned away from any further > explanation of Dynamic Quality and turned toward the static patterns > themselves." > -Lila chptr 9 > > Ron: > So instead of trying to walk off into the sunset with some kind of moral > victory, > perhaps with increasing awareness, you should turn towards static patterns. > > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
