Hi Mark, What do you mean by Intellectual Level? How do you define it? By purpose? by function? Or something else?
I wonder if we can imagine beyond the "intellectual level"? Marsha On Apr 24, 2011, at 1:47 PM, 118 wrote: > Hi Marsha, > Certainly everything is open to healthy and meaningful rhetoric > debate. One must admit, however, that there are certain philosophies > that rise to the popular top. I can only hope that MoQ becomes one of > these. In previous posts I have analogized these to rogue waves. > There is no way to dismiss these phenomena with logic, psychology, > sociology, or mathematics (all intellectual constructs). > > For example, take the Axial Age as presented by Karl Jaspers. There > was a sudden increase in personal philosophy during this age. A > transformation of popular questioning of that inside rather than that > outside. This was personified by thinkers such as Buddha, Lao Tzu, > Socrates, and many others. In our current age, we have gone back to > that outside, with philosophies such as Scientism. Such is the > circular nature of beliefs. > > Some consider this Axial Age to be an intervention of sorts. This > could have cycles of 2,500 years or so, if one wants to subscribe to > this theory. I am fine with this since it can be the intellectual > level asserting itself into the personal and then societal levels. > Others subscribe to other things such as alien or spiritual > intervention. I find the former more believable. Many books have > been written about such things, of course. > > This OR That can be useful for meaningful discussion. If we slide > into the unity of all, which could be considered the pre-intellectual > level (or maybe an expression of the right brain), it puts our > intellect in a bad light (imho). I think the intellect, although > wrought with problems and possible misdirection, gives us meaning and > provides much of the societal level as well. Buddha believed highly > of the intellectual level. Jesus subscribed more to the intuitive > (pre-intellectual) level. Each one may be describing the same thing, > just in different ways. > > Cheers, > Mark > > On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 10:06 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Hi Mark, >> >> I certainly would not want to be understood as supporting logical >> anarchy, chaos or nihilism, but nor do I believe things are necessarily >> 'this OR that.' Even with the hindsight of history, there might be >> disagreement concerning meaningfulness. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 24, 2011, at 12:25 PM, 118 wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha, >>> Certainly meaningfulness in the moment can be subjective. There are >>> cases, however, where certain meaningfulness is supported through >>> subsequent history. We could then state that it is possible that one >>> thing is more meaningful than another in that context, and in fact >>> have its roots in the moment. Otherwise meaningfulness becomes >>> meaningless. And we don't want that kind of nihilism in this forum. >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Sun, Apr 24, 2011 at 12:38 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> On Apr 24, 2011, at 3:14 AM, X Acto wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ron: >>>>> I'm sorry Dan but you do need to explain yourself if you care about any >>>>> sort of >>>>> meaningful philosophic discussion. >>>> >>>> Marsha: >>>> Most philosophic discussions are based on disagreement. And "meaningful" >>>> is in the eyes of the beholder. Also what is 'acceptable explanation' is >>>> another >>>> relative matter. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
