Greetings Andre, On May 1, 2011, at 5:49 AM, Andre Broersen wrote:
> Marsha to Andre: > > Read somewhere that a teacher will make awakening as difficult as expected by > the student. > > Andre: > No doubt Marsha you know the story of the student asking the teacher how long > it would take to 'reach' enlightenment, to which the Master said: "Seven > years". The student then responded by asking, well, if I work really hard, > how long will it take then? To which the Master said: "Fourteen years"! Marsha: You have reminded me of the tale. It's a good story. > Marsha: > There is no need to face an arduous, difficult path. > > Andre: > Well Marsha, if you say so. No doubt you have also heard (from those that > have achieved excellence within their own fields, be this at the > biological/social level or the social/intellectual level) that it is one > percent talent and ninety-nine percent hard work. Marsha: Another good story. Would that be out of the protestant playbook of ethics. > Andre: > Aldous Huxley, in his 'Perennial Philosophy' cites many an example of the > arduous tasks undertaken by, what are considered, saints or holy persons. I > mean, was this achievement of excellence a breeze, an easy thing for the > likes of a Gautama, Christ, Einstein, Hendrix, Carl Lewis, Ponting, > Beethoven, Fenelon, Eckhart, St. John of the Cross etc, etc, not to mention > Mr. Pirsig's path? Marsha: The 'path to DQ' is traveled along different 'ways.' I didn't know Aldous Huxley knew all these men, and could assign to them similar stories of arduousness effort. Enduring suffering, some maybe, but arduous effort? Besides many of these men did achieve excellence in a particular field, but I would not say they were all awaken to DQ. Richard Wagner achieved musical greatness, excellence, but I don't think many would describe him as 'awakened.' He was suppose to be a bit of a egotistical, bastard. Beethoven was supposedly a very bitter man. > Andre: > Do you have any person in mind for whom the achievement of excellence was > mere given? Marsha: I could give you the name of a few athletes who achieved excellence with the help of drugs. > Marsha: > Many people thinking it to be too difficult, will never consider trying. > > Andre: > Possibly. The key word here being the 'trying' of course and Dan has already > said enough about this. All I am suggesting is that the process should not be > underestimated. As some wise man said, imagine the path towards excellence to > be one thousand miles. When you are at the nine hundred and fifty mile mark > consider yourself to be half way. Marsha: 'Trying' does not equate to a "arduous difficult path." > Marsha: > Do you think biological and social patterns are to be suffered? > > Andre: > Depends on what I am engaged with at that moment. When I am devoting myself > at the intellectual level I do think they are a pain in the arse sometimes > yeah ;-) Marsha: Aaaww, you're going to ignore my comment about your Dutch translation representing how concepts are interpreted differently. Pity... ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
