Hello everyone On Fri, Jun 3, 2011 at 11:46 AM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Bo said to dmb: > So, it's my assertion that the MOQ's DQ/SQ is how reality is which is the > grievance (and what reification means)? However it is was Phaedrus' mission > to replace the S/O monster that has been (Western Culture's) scourge for so > long and had kept us under its S/O spell and closed us off from the real > objective experience. Sentenced us to eternal imprisonment within our > subjective max-security jail. And does DMB in ernest think that the MOQ is > a mere reiteration of SOM? That its DQ/SQ arrangement is just another > abstraction of concrete reality? Huh? Wasn't it Pirsig who set out to give > the Western Culture reality back? ...[insults deleted] > > > dmb says: > Apologies to Horse for dragging Bo's words into this forum. The quote from Bo > is such a neat piece of evidence that I couldn't resist. Sorry and I promise > not to make a habit of it. > MOQers, please notice that Bo really does not understand what reification > means and instead of addressing the objection I've posed, he simply > re-asserts the same error. The MOQ's static-Dynamic distinction is not just > an abstract idea, it's how reality is, he says. If the DQ/sq split is just > another abstraction, he says, then the MOQ is a mere reiteration of SOM. In > several different ways, Bo quite adamantly asserts that the MOQ is the food > and not the menu. This is what reification means. Of course this is exactly > the opposite of what Pirsig actually says and so Bo has to insult the author, > which I deleted, and dismiss his second book, which is the more > philosophically serious book....
Hi David, Marsha, Bo (if you're listening), I've just completed re-doing the e-version of LILA'S CHILD... cleaning up the html and fixing some mistakes... and it was such a joy to read Bodvar's old posts again from the early days of the Lila Squad. He really had some amazing insights to share with the group; it's truly a shame he got stuck in the SOM as Quality's intellect gumption trap like he did. He used to be one of the MOQ's biggest defenders. What happened? I don't know. I've never understood what Marsha has been on about with her reification, either. It always seemed like a thinly-veiled attempt at re-introducing SOM as intellect, and why anyone would want to perpetuate such a ludicrous notion is beyond me. I don't have an academic degree nor am I likely to any time soon, but I do know what Quality is, and that isn't it. Anyhow, the updated version of LILA'S CHILD is available on Amazon.com now if anyone is interested. Thank you, Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
