On Jun 16, 2011, at 12:53 PM, david buchanan wrote:
>
> dmb said:
> ... The MOQ says DQ is the quality of freedom ... Without DQ nothing could
> grow or change... DQ degenerates into chaos. Without DQ, static quality
> would fossilize or die of old age.
>
>
> Marsha snarked:
> So is the DQ that dmb is defining about DQ or is it non-DQ?
>
>
>
> dmb says:
> I've paraphrased what Pirsig wrote in Lila and repeated in his 2005 summary
> of the MOQ:
> "As to which is more important, Dynamic or static, both are absolutely
> essential, even when they are in conflict. As stated in LILA, without Dynamic
> Quality an organism cannot grow. But without static quality an organism
> cannot last."
> A few lines later, he says the same thing about metaphysics:
> "The static language of the Metaphysics of Quality will never capture the
> Dynamic reality of the world but some fingers point better than others and as
> the world changes, old pointers and road maps tend to lose their value."
>
> And in Lila, he and James both say there must always be a discrepancy between
> concepts and reality because concepts are static and reality is dynamic.
Marsha:
Duh...
> We find this idea throughout ZAMM as well, particularly in his explanation of
> our mythos as an evolved set of analogies and undefined Quality as the
> generator of all defined things. When the mystic insists that reality is
> outside of language, he's making the same point in yet another way.
Marsha:
Duh again...
> dmb:
> If all these explanations do not make the point clear, then I don't know what
> else to tell you. It seems pretty clear that the hang up is all about
> definitions. Definitions are the foundation of reason and all these words, as
> Pirsig uses them, have a coherent, consistent meaning.
Marsha:
Are you summarizing from these quotes this one point: 'Definitions are the
foundation of reason and all these words, as Pirsig uses them, have a coherent,
consistent meaning."
Duh... I've always accepted that RMP uses his meanings in their context
coherently.
You missed explaining your quote: "DQ degenerates into chaos." when in LILA RMP
states: "But Dynamic Quality is not structured and yet it is not chaotic.". I
think this might represent "capriciously alter the meaning of words at and so
confusion".
You pulled all these quotes together. Please offer your summarized
point???????
> dmb:
> But you like to capriciously alter the meaning of words at and so confusion
> and frustration is the inevitable result.
Marsha:
Right. Keep shoveling, but I am not accepting the vapid, innocuous euphemisms
as intellectual competency.
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