I suppose a more MoQish way of saying this is that your paraphrasing is constructed from your patterns.
On Jun 16, 2011, at 2:27 PM, MarshaV wrote: > > dmb, > > I'm sure you think your paraphrasing is always correct, but it is mentally > constructed from your own biases. And the grouping together of your > paraphrased comments, out of context ,make them sound like attributes of DQ. > > > > And please don't miss explaining your quote: "DQ degenerates into chaos." > when in LILA RMP states: "But Dynamic Quality is not structured and yet it is > not chaotic.". I think RMP would have paraphrased this statement > differently. > > > Marsha > > > On Jun 16, 2011, at 12:53 PM, david buchanan wrote: > >> >> dmb said: >> ... The MOQ says DQ is the quality of freedom ... Without DQ nothing could >> grow or change... DQ degenerates into chaos. Without DQ, static quality >> would fossilize or die of old age. >> >> >> Marsha snarked: >> So is the DQ that dmb is defining about DQ or is it non-DQ? >> >> >> >> dmb says: >> I've paraphrased what Pirsig wrote in Lila and repeated in his 2005 summary >> of the MOQ: >> "As to which is more important, Dynamic or static, both are absolutely >> essential, even when they are in conflict. As stated in LILA, without >> Dynamic Quality an organism cannot grow. But without static quality an >> organism cannot last." >> A few lines later, he says the same thing about metaphysics: >> "The static language of the Metaphysics of Quality will never capture the >> Dynamic reality of the world but some fingers point better than others and >> as the world changes, old pointers and road maps tend to lose their value." >> >> And in Lila, he and James both say there must always be a discrepancy >> between concepts and reality because concepts are static and reality is >> dynamic. We find this idea throughout ZAMM as well, particularly in his >> explanation of our mythos as an evolved set of analogies and undefined >> Quality as the generator of all defined things. When the mystic insists that >> reality is outside of language, he's making the same point in yet another >> way. >> >> If all these explanations do not make the point clear, then I don't know >> what else to tell you. It seems pretty clear that the hang up is all about >> definitions. Definitions are the foundation of reason and all these words, >> as Pirsig uses them, have a coherent, consistent meaning. But you like to >> capriciously alter the meaning of words at and so confusion and frustration >> is the inevitable result. >> >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
