J-A, Okay, this is your understanding of "the way things are." Mine is: not this, not that.
Marsha On Jun 20, 2011, at 5:27 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote: > Sorry Marsha and Steve but you are definitely on the wrong way here. > > Free will is not an illusion. Free will is the ultimate basic condition for > unpredictability and ever changing identities. > > It may be scary to grasp the personal responsibility it takes but without > free will there would be no future at all. > > Enjoy life > > Jan-Anders > > 20 jun 2011 kl. 10.36 skrev [email protected]: > >> On Jun 19, 2011, at 6:57 PM, Steven Peterson wrote: >> >>> On Sun, Jun 19, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> So we're kind of back to the idea that 'Free Will' is an illusion! >>> >>> >>> Sam Harris goes further to say that those who meditate learn that >>> illusion of free will is itself an illusion: >>> >>> "It is generally argued that our sense of free will presents a >>> compelling mystery: on the one hand, it is impossible to make sense of >>> in causal terms; on the other, we feel that we are the authors of our >>> own actions. However, I think that this mystery is itself a symptom of >>> our confusion. It is not that free will is simply an illusion: our >>> experience is not merely delivering a distorted view of reality; >>> rather, we are mistaken about the character of our experience. We do >>> not feel as free as we think we do. Our sense of our own freedom >>> results from our not paying close attention to what it is like to be >>> ourselves in the world. The moment we do pay attention, we begin to >>> see that free will is nowhere to be found, and our subjectivity is >>> perfectly compatible with this truth. Thoughts and intentions simply >>> arise in the mind. What else could they do? The truth about us is >>> stranger than many suppose: the illusion of free will is itself an >>> illusion." >> >> Hi Steve, >> >> This is right on, and why it is so hard to find a good way to say it. The >> illusion of free will and causation are themselves illusions. The illusion >> is an illusion, like emptiness is empty, like the fundamental nature of >> of the determinate is the indeterminate. Can it become any more >> beautiful. >> >> Great quote! >> >> >> Marsha > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
