Hi J-A, As I recall, you are Dutch. So, based on my once fluent Dutch, your name means "other than John". This would mean that you are "Not-John". So the saying "Not this, Not that" should be easy for your to grasp. But, I know, it is hard. It is not a riddle, or some mystical truth. It is not something beyond this or that. It doesn't even relate to this or that, and it is not the opposite of these things. It is not Nothing either. Which one would think makes it Something, but it is not.
It is not to get you to get something, like some short commercial that we are so fond of here in the US. It is not professed by some Hollywood star, or superstar athlete as the latest in enlightenment. It is quite simple and not some deep truth passed on through the ages of time. So, Not-John, what is it? More below. On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Jan-Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mark > > 4 jul 2011 kl. 21.04 Mark wrote: > >> It is clear that there are many ways to define Quality, but no way to >> describe it. That is, that there is no way to wrap Quality up with >> words. The problem with good wrapping, is that it hides what is being >> wrapped. And, once wrapped, it is difficult to unwrap without >> extensive personal training by the wrapper. The same can be said for >> encoding secret messages. >> >> As a definition amongst many, one can equate Quality with Will. Both >> are active nouns, and both imply direction. The quality of things >> denotes their appearance. This a world of appearances which means it >> is a world of Quality. Will is also expression. Both do not require >> for there to be something that is expressed, they arise without cause. >> >> For clarification, I will present what I mean by Will. Human will is >> a primary feature of our being. It is what delivers our >> consciousness. It provides drive, resolve, and intent. It creates >> direction for each of us, and gives us the propensity to change >> direction. It lies outside of determinism, and is often termed >> "Free". It gives us the capacity to live outside the boundaries of >> determined direction. Besides humans, all things have Will. A river >> may express it as a rushing through a valley. A metal may display a >> resolve to remain together and not scatter freely. Predators display >> a will to catch, and preys are equally willful in escaping. The sun >> attempts to pull the planets into itself, and the planets are just as >> willful in remaining free, thus resulting in an long game until one >> wins. So, that is how I am using will. It is not obstinance, >> wishful-thinking, or a promise made. >> >> The Will to Survive, or the Will to Die are two ends of the same >> thing, that is Will. Therefore, Will and Quality are two words for >> the same thing. Anything with Will is also with Quality. Anything >> with Quality, denotes Will. >> >> In Chapter 28, Phaedrus is reading about Greek excellence and is >> fascinated by "duty to self", this can also be construed as Will. He >> goes on to realize that Quality was present before anything. We are >> born as Will, there is nothing else, just pure Will. This then begins >> to change from the first minute after birth. Where was it before >> that? Or as the Buddhist would say, "What did your face look like >> before you were born?" >> >> And, so, I have come to the end of my exposition. Any comments? >> >> Cheers, >> Mark > > "What did your face look like before you were born?" [Mark] Yes, what did your face look like before you were born? It is a simple question which can be answered simply. All it takes is a little thought. What did you look like before this lifetime? Travel back in your mind, and you will see. Just sit with it for as long as it takes. Peek through the curtains, or just imagine it sitting right next to you, less than a nanometer away, kind of like seeing double overlapping you's. Just shift a very very little to your right and see what it feels like. This is not magic or fantasy, or religion, or dogma, or mysticism, or politics, or coercion, or exploitation, or anything like that. It is just you. You gotta love it! > > Not this and not that. :-) > > More seriously I would search for the lowest common denominator of the 4 > levels. > Which is Quality. > > There is a way to direct experience of The Quality: > Take a basket ball, use your hand and bounce it to the floor. You can > experience how Quality works when you find what force (Will), tempo (pattern) > and the joy (pragmatic meaning) is needed to make it happen. > Atoms are energy in a kind of bounce with differnet patterns. organic events > are another higher kind of bounce. Societies are even more complicated events > with enrgy, cultural pattern and Yield. Intellectual bounces are the events > of the 4th level. [Mark] This reminds me when I was a superstar basket ball player. This wasn't hard since I went to the Leysin American School in Switzerland and b-ball was not their specialty, it was more like rock-climbing. But anyway, sometimes on the court I would get into the "Zone" (what is the Dutch for that?). Me, the ball, and the basket would all become directly connected, and I could not miss a shot. Yes, this is Quality of the dynamic variety. I have often said that DQ lies in the moment. It is as simple as that. Live in the moment (I mean really in the moment) and you live as DQ. There are no hands, no legs, no distance, no basket. There is no time since time does not exist in the moment. It only exists moment to moment. Dag, Mark Smit > > Bounce bounce > > Jan-Anders > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
