Andre said:
... Marsha also argues that because something is only conventionally real, and
not ultimately real she doesn't accept it as being relevant FROM A MOQ
POINT-OF-VIEW! Now this is serious. Apart from the 'free-will' discussion that
has been going on for a while Marsha claims it is irrelevant! Why is it
'irrelevant'? Because it isn't 'ultimately real'. She cites Buddhist insights,
Garfield, Nagarjuna and a host of others to substantiate her claims and
fundamental position (of non-acceptance of anything...seemingly). But my
question to Marsha is "why"? What point are you trying to make? What
contribution are you trying to make to the MOQ by maintaining this position?
YOU my dear nullify, disarm, annihilate and evaporate any well meant discussion
about anything even remotely relevant. And all imho of course.
dmb says:
Exactly. It's only conventional reality. As if we have some other option. As if
the "Ultimate" reality is somewhere over the rainbow. By Marsha's reasoning,
every single thing that anyone could ever say is irrelevant to the MOQ because
it's not "ultimately" real. Just like the bombs that dropped on Hiroshima and
Nagasaki, I suppose. This is know-nothingism with a new-agey, faux-Buddhist
veneer. It's empty-heaed anti-intellectualism, served with a dollop of snark on
crackers.
And of course, what's irrelevant is the ontological status of bullets. It
simply doesn't matter if they have essential, independent or eternal existence
or not - and nobody said they did anyway. But they will kill you all the same.
If a gun is pointed at you, does it matter that the bullet is only
conventionally real? Hell, no. Is it any comfort to anyone to say the guy with
a bullet hole in his head is only conventionally dead?
Don't know about you, but that's the only kind of dead that concerns me. What
other kind is there?
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