On Oct 3, 2011, at 5:32 PM, david buchanan wrote: > > Andre and y'all: > > Thanks, Andre, but I think you might be giving Marsha's question more credit > than it deserves and I seriously doubt that she's seeking any real answers. > In fact, the question is quite phony. It implies that someone has claimed > that James can improve the MOQ. If anyone made that claim, they really should > answer questions and otherwise feel obliged to defend it. But nobody made any > such claim, of course, so she's dealing in straw men here. If anyone else had > made such a claim, I probably would have noticed. > > What James and Dewey and pragmatism can do, I think, is improve a person's > understanding and appreciation of the MOQ.
Marsha: I don't think you've explicitly explained how. > Pirsig really is quite sympatico with these guys and a person can learn quite > a lot by looking at the way they handle the same issues and ideas. It's like > looking at the same object from a different angle or looking at it in a > different light. Marsha: I look forward to you explaining the linkages. > And since one of the main purposes of this discussion group is to improve > one's understanding and appreciation of the MOQ, Marsha: I appreciate this and if James, Dewey, Pierce or Eminem can clarify the MoQ, I'd say go for it. But I had to go to youtube to find an explanation of James's two-stage model of free will. And I have not yet seen you explain how that model is relevant to the MoQ. Unless you are suggesting that because RMP mentions James every utterance from James becomes significant. > Marsha's objections to William James have no philosophical or intellectual > merit. Marsha: I have no objection to William James quotes when accompanied by a supporting explanation why they are relevant. p.s. Please don'd send the sock-puppet. > Since the claim was made by a straw man, Marsha can hold her breath and wait > until he answers. > > > > >> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 22:19:00 +0200 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [MD] W.J. Eastern influences >> >> Marsha to no one in particular: >> >> I ask again: How does William James improve the MoQ? As far as I can see >> it does not. It just points backwards and has nothing to say about Quality, >> static patterns, or the hierarchical, evolutionary structure that helps >> evaluate many conflicting patterns. >> >> Andre: >> I'd suggest you read chapter 29 of LILA again and I just wonder to what >> extent you will go to ridicule yourself by offering your ever changing, >> transparent, static , dogmatic views to question the role of William James >> in Pirsig's formulation, justification and acceptance of the MOQ in the >> context of it being presented as 'a continuation of the mainstream of >> twentieth century American philosophy'. >> >> James is at the forefront of this 'mainstream'. The MOQ has incorporated >> James' pragmatism and his radical empiricism and at the same time improves >> this by arguing that 'the primal reality from which subjects and objects >> spring is value. By doing so it seems to unite pragmatism and radical >> empiricism into a single fabric'. >> >> Pirsig was simply checking for himself whether his MOQ wasn't 'a foreign, >> cultish, deviant way of looking at things'. James plays a crucial role in >> convincing Phaedrus that he isn't. In fact it tells him he is on the right >> track and the MOQ is all the richer for it. >> >> You do not accept this because you have something against dmb. Sort yourself >> out Lucy. I'd wish (and I may not be the only one here on this MD)that you'd >> do the same as Phaedrus...if only sometimes. >> >> Remember the tea cup? >> >> And for all good measure Marsha: don't bother! >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
