Hi MRB, Thank you for your posts on this topic. I appreciate your sense of danger for our children and grandchildren. Your expression of free will is a welcome addition to this forum; many give up and leave due to the emotional "group"pressures.
The ongoing movement, which you clearly point out is hypocrisy in action, is another wave of civilization. History suggests that civilizations rise and then fall, for nothing can be sustained forever. If there is anything we can learn from history, it is that we do not learn from history. The intellectual mind is a description of what has been, and cannot be a prophet for what will be. What we term Evolution is a self-righteous expression of the way we want things to be. About all that we can claim of evolution is that it appears as change. As individuals we float on the waves of change, and do so freely. The notion of the continual rise and fall of civilizations outside of our personal control is not one of fatalism. For "fatalism" dictates that our own Will is non-existent. We always have "control" over what we do on a daily basis and how we treat others. To ascribe the notion of helplessness in the face of much larger forces to one's behavior, is simply one of victimization. Many feel that they are victims for it then removes the need for responsibility, which is a difficult concept to follow. Such attitudes results in "angry mob" behavior, as we are seeing in some protests already. History teaches us that this will only increase, for many do not know of the "personal valve" that can release all this pressure on one. Controlling the future is like trying to take a spoon and direct the waves of the ocean. In posts before your entrance, I wrote of the calamity of Leaders and Followers, and how it relates to MoQ. The presence of Leaders and Followers is synergistic towards mass movement and the loss of Free Will. The leaders need the followers as much as the other way around. Leaders provide dogma to follow, and the followers support such dogma towards its ends. Pirsig himself regaled against this phenomenon of the elite personage and those who make him such. However, in the moment to moment of life there is no such thing. Everything appears to unfold, and we make conscious decisions at every step. Following the "ideas" of another is also a choice, but with consequences. This current hysteria taking people away from personal responsibility, towards that of victimization is yet another undulation of the Follower/Leader phenomenon. It is the need to Do Something for the "Good of the All", and the certainty that we have the final answer. This is society at work, something coined within MoQ as the Social Level; something that the individual has no presence in. We can become puppets of such level, or remain within the personal responsibility level, as we see fit. However, in a fixed world of intentional capability, allowing one to be swept up by the social level removes from the personal level. In my opinion, people such as our current president and others which you mention in your posts, are actors who are following social scripts. They prefer the conceptual to the personal. They like big ideas and "forcing" willing subjects to support them at the expense of those who do not. Much of this can be considered as Pride (the deadliest of the Western sins), and leaves little room for personal responsibility as a day to day accomplishment. All species fear Evolution, since its concept demotes one to that of a temporary phenomenon with little control over the vast future. Evolutionary theory teaches us that we are a step in the staircase of change. Evolution presents the general, in statistics, and has no bearing on the individual. Holding on to temporary concepts of controlling the appearance of the future, outside of one's own family, results in the mass behavior to are concerned about, that is, the promotion of Leaders, and the trolling for Followers. The respite from this, is one's personal actions on a day to day basis, sufficing for each day to day. As presented in the Myth of Sisyphus by Camus, rolling a boulder up a hill does have its intermissions. These intermissions are presented on a moment to moment allowance. Your posts appear more analytical than emotional, and for that I am grateful. Best regards, Mark On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 8:05 PM, Michael R. Brown <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi John Carl - > > These folks are doing anything but protesting the status quo. They are its > children and they agree with every one of its premises. They want more > government - the growth of which has been status quo for 100 years plus, > since the calamitous Woodrow Wilson. Jefferson would be appalled by what > they advocate (and I'm leaving aside the calls for bloody violence on the > (non-existent) "bourgeoisie," the calls for Communism, the hate, the > depicted nooses around necks, and so on). > > > MRB > http://www.fuguewriter.com > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
