Hi Steve,

I think that dmb is saying something like 'My reasoning is the same as those 
guys.'  While he can attack other's arguments, he cannot explain and justify 
his own reasoning.  Sad for someone who thinks he'd like to be on an academic 
track.  


Marsha 




On Oct 17, 2011, at 3:52 PM, david buchanan wrote:

> 
> Steve said:
> ... I have given my reasoning for why I think that notion is incompatible 
> with other aspects of Pirsig's philosophy. Again, I am asking for YOUR 
> reasoning or your understanding of Pirsig's reasoning for how it could be 
> possible to be out of touch with DQ. Here is my reasoning again in case you 
> want to engage with it: (1) DQ is primary experience, the leading edge of 
> experience (2) To say that I am not in touch with DQ then is to say that my 
> experience does not have a leading edge. (3) How can that be when I am a set 
> of static patterns left in the wake of that leading edge of experience? If I 
> begin where DQ ends, how can I be out of touch with it?
> 
> 
> 
> dmb says:
>  ...   
>  
> Do you have any idea what I'm saying? To put it politely, I'm skeptical.
>  


 
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