Hi dmb,
> dmb says: > If you are sincerely interested in the substance of his words and you want me > to trust you on that, then why did you delete his words from your response? > If you're playing straight, then shy did the substance disappear again, as > usual? Steve: I deleted them because we are both familiar with the relevant passage and because if we keep everything the lengths of post will grow exponentially. > Steve said: > ...As I see things, no one is with or without some set of glasses to a > greater or lesser degree than anyone else. > > > dmb says: > That is directly contradicted by the textual evidence you deleted from your > response. And yet you demand trust. Steve: What is directly contradicted in the text is that Pirsig seems to see things differently. I have made it clear that I see myself as disagreeing with Pirsig on that point. If Dynamic Quality is primary experience and if experience is reality, then it makes no sense to me to think of DQ as something that we can be any more or less in touch with. The glasses have to do with how we interpret DQ and not whether or not we experience DQ in the first place especially since DQ precedes such concepts as "the interpreter of experience." Rather than make any argument in defense of the notion that we can be closer to or further from DQ, you simply quote Pirsig expressing his support for the idea. Since this isn't a democracy or a popularity contest but rather a philosophical discussion, whether or not you or Pirsig thinks so is irrelevant to whether or not there is good reason to think so. What I keep asking you for is the reasoning, and it seems that you are either unwilling or unable to give it. > Steve said: > I am dubious about the idea of Enlightenment as walking around all day with > no such cultural glasses. > > dmb says: > Okay, I'll bite. Who asserted this dubious idea? Was it Flimsy the Strawman, > perhaps? Guess I can always trust you to quote him. Steve: Why do you assume that I must be disagreeing with you when I make this claim about my doubts? The fact is that I don't know what you think about Enlightenment and would be interested to know. What do you think it is? Best, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
