Hi Marsha,
On Oct 26, 2011, at 12:52 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > > >>>> >>>>> Marsha: >>>>> It seems Protagoras was not alone... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> “It was classic William James, imbued with a sense of the relativism of >>>>> all knowledge, a respect for and curiosity about alternative >>>>> perspectives, an instinct to analyze clearly and thoroughly but to >>>>> develop a synthesis wherever possible, and a conviction that the truth of >>>>> any idea or thing is best understood by observing its action in the world. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/masterpiece/americancollection/american/genius/william_bio.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ___ >>> >>> >>>> Mark: >>>> Knowledge as referring to the intellectual variety is relative. >>> >>> Marsha: >>> I disagree with changing the quote from "all knowledge" to "Knowledge as >>> referring to the intellectual variety." >>> >>> >>>> Mark: >>>> It is a creation of man that can be analogized to the framework of a >>>> house. Everything must fit together for it to "work". >>>> However a "home" is not relative to that framework, it is relational. To >>>> apply the concept of relativity one must use measurement. How does one >>>> measure a "home"? One could be home on the range. If abstract concepts >>>> such as home or love or truth are placed in a relative framework, their >>>> quality is lost, in my opinion. >>> >>> Marsha: >>> Man is a concept, so what are you actually saying? In your opinion the >>> concept's concept is what? >>> >>> >>>> Mark: >>>> Of course there is much security living in a world interpreted as >>>> relative, but, for me, much of the wonder is lost through continual >>>> comparison. We try to remember how we felt last week, and say "now is >>>> better", or we keep waiting for the "better". There is no relativity in >>>> "the moment"; try to impart some creates the static from the dynamic. >>>> Quality is not relative it is relational, for me. But, I would be happy >>>> to learn from you what you personally get from the relative point of view. >>> >>> Marsha: >>> We? While I do care that you are happy, your question makes no sense. >>> >>> >>>> Mark: >>>> You can provide all the quotes you want, but that will not tell me >>>> anything. Use your own words, otherwise this is just a silly exercise in >>>> Google Reality Reification (grr...). Oh, and google is relative so that >>>> is not the right tool to use to analyze relativity. >>> >>> Marsha: >>> Purrrr...... >>> >>> > > On Oct 26, 2011, at 1:24 AM, 118 wrote > >> Mark: >> Interesting that you disagree since the quotes you provide indicate that you >> agree. You are the one who has said that knowledge is of the intellectual >> variety in many of your quotes. Did you change your mind. I was simply >> pointing out that as you use it in your quote below it is relative. Are you >> now saying that it is not relative? I am confused. >> >> Do you know what the difference between "man" as a concept and "home" as a >> concept is? If they are both the same then it is a very flat world. >> Sometimes seeing the nuances in speech is difficult, I will try to be >> simpler in the future. Unless you are just pulling my leg again. Sometimes >> I think you are serious when you are just playing around. >> >> Mark > > > > Mark, > > Where did I say that ALL knowledge was intellectual in nature??? I never > made such a claim. You must be the one confused. > It was in the quotes you provided. Perhaps you want to reconsider? > 'Man' and 'home' are both symbols pointing to conditionally co-dependent, > impermanent, changing processes; processes that have been reified through > conceptualization. 'Man' and 'home' are analogies built on analogies. They > are static value representing ever-changing processes that pragmatically tend > to persist and change within a stable, predictable pattern. > It would seem that you are wrong here, but I guess it depends on what you mean by "analogy". How do you measure your notion of impermanence? Is there a fixed reference that is permanent? Ever changing in terms of what? You seem to be caught in a static loop. I suppose it is ever changing because it is ever changing... You know this is utter nonsense because it is utter nonsense. But, I enjoy your righteousness, you are a person with "attitude". You just need to focus it for the positive, rather than this steadfast antagonism. Yes, this takes time, best of luck. I will continue to monitor you to see how you are doing, because I care. Cheers > > Marsha > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
