Mark to Andre: As you probably know, my objection to psychology is its attempt to objectify and encapsulate the mind. We cannot address the mind from the outside in, that is done for robots without personal awareness, or individuality.
Andre: I do not agree with this Mark, as you probably guessed. There are 1st,2nd and 3rd person perspectives to loads of static patterns which I think we would do well to consider and take into account. To be able to see things from different perspectives is very useful and when appropriately formulated can enhance a more integrated understanding of different aspects of these same phenomena. I certainly see a role for the MOQ here as well i.e. as unifying and integrative. If psychology is the study of human consciousness and its manifestation in behavior I find it difficult to follow your reasoning when talking about all those people not only engaged in the field of psychology but also psychiatry and a whole host of those working in the helping professions (and I include nurses, doctors and brain surgeons and related medical professions as well). There are a lot of people in pain 'out there' for whatever reason and through whatever experiences some have had to face. To dismiss people who study human consciousness and its manifestation in human behavior and/or apply findings (usually based on massive amounts of experiential data through appropriate research) as 'robots without personal awareness, or individuality' is a bit disingenuous and I think an insult to those who care. It tells me you know very, very little of the aims of therapeutic interventions Mark. To work with people who are hurt,in pain, and vulnerable you gotta care. You gotta really, really care. And, having worked in these fields I realize that the vast majority of these people do. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
