Cheers, let me know when I am banished. I will do my best to observe the rules from this post on.
Sent laboriously from an iPhone, Mark On Mar 13, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > Mark > If you continue to bait me and play your silly games I will remove you from > MD. > I've had enough of your childishness and your egotistical posturing, so you > either stop right now or you can go and join the other losers. > > This is the only warning you're going to get. > > Horse > > On 13/03/2012 16:58, 118 wrote: >> Horse, >> An opinion is not "correct" by it's very nature. I would not make that >> mistake, otherwise I would be caught up in conceptual truths an remain >> static. >> >> Agreement is a completely different beast, in my humble opinion. >> >> Sent laboriously from an iPhone, >> Mark >> >> On Mar 13, 2012, at 4:11 AM, Horse<[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Oh for god's sake stop playing to an audience Mark - there's no sympathy >>> for your moaning and whinging about how unfair I am to you - which I'm not! >>> Not a single person has disagreed with me and at least 1 person has agreed >>> (Andre - twice) so it's obvious that they all agree with me - well that's >>> how I prefer to see it. But then no-one has disagreed with you either so >>> you'd take that as agreement. So, by your logic, everyone both agrees and >>> disagrees with everything we say!!!! Are you really that dim as to believe >>> that this is the case? >>> If you wish to believe that everyone agrees with you (because they remain >>> silent) then that's up to you, however, you do not have the right to state >>> this as fact or assert that your opinion is correct, because you have no >>> valid grounds to do so other than wishful thinking. >>> >>> The rest of your post is emotionally loaded nonsense. >>> I don't 'put down' your opinion - I disagree with you. >>> My 'rhetoric' is 'negative' because I disagree with you. >>> I have 'tolerated' your umpteen posts a day, when the forum rules state a >>> maximum of 4, because I am tolerant. >>> The only one of us who has ego problems is you. >>> My 'realism' is just that - being realistic and not a self-deluding fool. >>> When someone says 'hear hear' you are in agreement with that person not the >>> entire forum. >>> You spend more time insulting, belittling and denigrating others than I do. >>> >>> And the biggest joke of all is this line: >>> "How can I provide examples of agreement if I do not get a response." >>> Obviously you can't, so if you can't provide evidence of agreement then >>> don't be so infantile as to CLAIM agreement. >>> >>> I disagree with you on so many things and at so many levels I wouldn't know >>> (or care) where to start. For this reason I choose not to engage in >>> pointless debate with you and YOUR ego. And yet I still allow you to >>> continue - how tolerant is that?!? >>> >>> So stop whining Mark, stop making false claims, stop being dishonest, stop >>> twisting others argument and stop making appeals to emotion in order to >>> rubbish those who disagree with you. Because if you don't do so of your own >>> accord I will, as list administrator, do so for you. >>> Is this clear enough for you? >>> >>> Horse >>> >>> >>> On 12/03/2012 23:05, 118 wrote: >>>> Horse, that is not the case, that i deny the opinions of others. My point >>>> of view is changing as a result of this forum as I hope everyone's is. >>>> Can you honestly say that you have the same point of view you had last >>>> year? This forum is about growth and not sticking with old opinions, that >>>> is why we discuss things. >>>> >>>> I see no resin why you insist in putting down my opinion if it does not >>>> agree with yours; you seem to be the intolerant one. Show me one post >>>> where I have said "you have a problem, Horse". All this negative rhetoric >>>> comes from you. It is not constructive. Very rarely do I see an opinion >>>> from you that is not just taking sides or admonishing someone because they >>>> posted something you don't like. I see no signs of you being tolerant, >>>> unless you are normally a very intolerant person. Think about it! >>>> >>>> So here I say, Horse, you've got a big problem. What are you going to do, >>>> banish me to protect your ego? >>>> >>>> If I see agreement, I will call it that. What is wrong with agreeing >>>> anyway. Are we not allowed to agree? Your "realism" is somewhat macabre. >>>> >>>> When a member says "hear, hear..." and I agree with him are we not in >>>> agreement? Why must you be so combative? >>>> >>>> Please show me where I am insulting any more than you are. You treat >>>> Marsha like shit sometimes. You may be projecting your own hostility on >>>> to me. Please provide examples. >>>> >>>> How can I provide examples of agreement if I do not get a response. What >>>> is wrong with my thinking that there is agreement. Is that not allowed in >>>> this forum? >>>> >>>> Please indulge me with an explanation. >>>> >>>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone, >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> On Mar 12, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Horse<[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mark >>>>> >>>>> This why there is such a problem communicating with you - you are >>>>> incapable of agreeing with anyone else's point of view unless it happens >>>>> to be your own. This is also part of your problem. My stating as such is >>>>> not negative it is realistic. >>>>> >>>>> Preferring or pretending to see agreement where none exists is not only >>>>> negative it is intellectually dishonest. That is not in the spirit of the >>>>> MoQ. >>>>> >>>>> A lack of response to a question or statement is not a confirmation of >>>>> its validity - it is a lack of response to a question or statement. >>>>> >>>>> On 11/03/2012 16:47, 118 wrote: >>>>>> Silence in this forum is bereft of quality. >>>>> and yet now you change your tack and say that it does when you said >>>>> previously that it didn't! Please make up your mind. >>>>> >>>>> If someone says nothing to you when you state your point of view you are >>>>> not entitled to take that as agreement in any sort of rational or >>>>> intelligent conversation. >>>>> >>>>> If you want to present your point of view on this forum then do so, I >>>>> have not tried to stop you, however if you want to state that other >>>>> members of this forum agree with your point of view then please present >>>>> some sort of evidence. If you have no evidence to show this then you >>>>> cannot claim that you do because you 'prefer' to do so. >>>>> >>>>> I am also trying to remain civil in the face of your increasingly >>>>> irrational and bizarre statements and your (poorly) veiled insults. >>>>> >>>>> Horse >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 12/03/2012 16:21, 118 wrote: >>>>>> Hi Horse, >>>>>> >>>>>> No, I cannot see that I "have a problem". What do I have a problem >>>>>> with? Please explain rather than just throw out such a derogatory >>>>>> statement. For such a statement is indeed a negative outlook, and >>>>>> certainly is not in the spirit of MoQ. >>>>>> >>>>>> If I prefer to see a lack of response as agreement, who are you to >>>>>> tell me otherwise? What do you mean by “the only way. What book of >>>>>> rules are you referring to? Perhaps you see a lack of response as a >>>>>> disagreement. This could be your choice, but it stems from a negative >>>>>> outlook in MoQ. Remember, Quality is a tendency of the Good, not Bad. >>>>>> Or am I wrong there? Because of this, the negative and the positive >>>>>> are important, and cannot be summarily dismissed as you say. >>>>>> >>>>>> Obviously I have presented some questions here. Shall I take a lack >>>>>> of response as a disagreement to how the questions were formulated? >>>>>> Sometimes I have no idea where you are coming from. Therefore I >>>>>> request clarification so that I may better understand what you are >>>>>> writing to me. >>>>>> >>>>>> Take your time and don't just reflexively tell me that I have a >>>>>> problem because I have a problem. I could easily state that you >>>>>> have “a problem”, but I see no value in that. I am trying to remain >>>>>> civil to another human being. >>>>>> >>>>>> By the way, silence has great value. It is what occurs between notes >>>>>> on a piano. What good would decorative music be without silence? So >>>>>> your “less quality than silence” makes no sense to me whatsoever. >>>>>> Maybe you could explain this phrase to me as well. If not, I can >>>>>> always assume that your silence is in disagreement with my statement >>>>>> about silence... >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Mark >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/12/12, Horse<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Mark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Choosing to infer something from nothing is different to inferring >>>>>>> something from something - if you can't see that you have a problem. >>>>>>> Having a positive or negative outlook is irrelevant. >>>>>>> The only way you can know that someone agrees with you is if they say >>>>>>> they agree with you. >>>>>>> Taking a lack of agreement as agreement has less quality than silence. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Horse >>>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>>> Archives: >>>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>>> Archives: >>>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >>>>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>>>> — Frank Zappa >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> -- >>> >>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>> — Frank Zappa >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > — Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
