Hi Andre, I will desist from this agreement nonsense, I did not realize it to be a hornets nest. My apologies.
Let us turn instead to what morality means within an MoQ context. There are several pages in Lila that may bear some friendly discussion. Chapter 12, where Pirsig presents some examples on how one can formulate Quality into static patterns of value is a good chapter. On page 179 he presents some logic behind an idea of the moral fabric of the universe (my term). He speaks of the "choice" of atoms. He goes on to say that everything is an ethical activity. This he presents to remove the domination of the deterministic presentation of science. For ethics to be true ethics, one must choose between good and evil (for example). Therefore for everything to be imbued with morality requires the freedom of choice. By definition that is free will. If morality is determined, then it cannot be called morality, IMO. Let me know what you think. Cheers, Mark Sent laboriously from an iPhone, Mark On Mar 13, 2012, at 3:44 AM, Andre <[email protected]> wrote: > Mark to Andre: > What is clear to me is that often we are saying the same thing. > > Andre: > You could have fooled me Mark. > > Mark: > So before you make such statements, how about you choose something which I > have presented and explain your concerns? > > Andre: > You know as well as I do that it doesn't work that way Mark. The accusation > of ripping things 'out of context' has been used regularly on this Discuss > and doesn't get us any further. I will simply adopt the line you used with > Marsha on March 7: "You need to figure it out for yourself, there is nothing > I can tell you" inviting, possibly the inevitable follow up exchange between > you two: "Bugger off". > > I'd also take heed of Horse's advice: "Taking a lack of agreement as > agreement has less quality than silence." > > Okay, just a little one. You claim (to Craig and David, March 12): "Pirsig > states that everything has free will, everything." > > Please supply the quote. Where does Pirsig make that claim. I am very > interested. > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
