Horse, On Mar 18, 2012, at 9:36 AM, Horse wrote: > Hi Marsha > > The position I'm referring to is the position you have been supporting for > some time re: Dynamic/Static quality and which you support by the use of the > quotes you posted and your comment at the end. > The quotes I posted were not in support of my position but in opposition to > your quotes, showing, I believe, that Pirsigs position is opposed to your own. > My position is that of Pirsigs for the most part. > > Horse > > On 18/03/2012 13:26, MarshaV wrote: >> >> Horse, >> >> Which position is that? And how are you not selecting quotes and using them >> out of context to support your position, whatever positions you might be >> holding? >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> On Mar 18, 2012, at 8:57 AM, Horse wrote: >> >>> "The word “produced” implies that Dynamic quality is a part of a cause and >>> effect system >>> of the kind generated by scientific thinking. But Dynamic Quality cannot be >>> part of any >>> cause and effect system since all cause and effect systems are static >>> patterns. All we can >>> say is that these static patterns emerged and that they are better than >>> physical >>> nothingness." >>> (Lila's Child)
'But DQ cannot be a part of cause and effect…' I agree. >>> >>> "Dynamic Quality is defined constantly by everyone. Consciousness can be >>> described is a >>> process of defining Dynamic Quality. But once the definitions emerge, they >>> are static >>> patterns and no longer apply to Dynamic Quality. So one can say correctly >>> that Dynamic >>> Quality is both infinitely definable and undefinable because definition >>> never exhausts it. >>> It is the point at which static patterns emerge where there were no static >>> patterns before. >>> It is not a two-way street, and therefore the term “interaction” seems >>> inappropriate." >>> (Lila's Child) I haven't said a single word about a two-way street. I thought the first part of the quote does point to static patterns being DQ defined. >>> "Dynamic Quality is value and thus is very easily distinguished. When one >>> creates a word >>> for it and tries to distinguish this word from other words in a set of >>> static intellectual >>> patterns, confusion results. But the confusion is caused by the static >>> patterns that seek to >>> subordinate Dynamic Quality to themselves. >>> (Lila's Child) I agree. Marsha >>> >>> ...and so on and so forth. >>> >>> It looks to me like you're selecting quotes and using them out of context >>> in order to support your position whilst leaving out other quotes that >>> either fail to support your position or that undermine your position. >>> >>> It seems fairly obvious from the above - and from other quotes which can >>> be found throughout various books - that neither Pirsig nor the MoQ (and >>> quite likely the Buddhist tradition) support your position. >>> >>> Horse >>> >>> On 18/03/2012 09:16, MarshaV wrote: >>>> >>>> "Dynamic Quality is defined constantly by everyone. Consciousness can be >>>> described is a process of defining Dynamic Quality. But once the definitions >>>> emerge, they are static patterns and no longer apply to Dynamic Quality. >>>> So one can say correctly that Dynamic Quality is both infinitely definable >>>> and undefinable because definition never exhausts it." >>>> (Lila's Child) >>>> >>>> "Moreover, Nagarjuna (1966, p.251) shares Pirsig’s perception that the >>>> indeterminate (or Dynamic) is the fundamental nature of the conditioned >>>> (or static)..." >>>> (MoQ Textbook) >>>> >>>> "Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. Form is not other than emptiness; >>>> emptiness is not other than form." >>>> (Heart Sutra) >>>> >>>> Marsha: >>>> Static quality is not other than Dynamic Quality; Dynamic Quality is not >>>> other than static quality. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> -- >>> >>> "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production >>> deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." >>> — Frank Zappa >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > — Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
