Hi Andre,

> David:
> All things, including the term Quality, are a demarcation of outlines or 
> limits. In fact, every thing is.
> 
> Andre:
> Quality, the Tao, the Buddhist " Nothingness" has 'limits? Is some sort of 
> 'demarcation'? What , then lies outside of it? (which, by definition (!) it 
> must). If we are talking 'from the world of the Buddha' nothing lies outside 
> of Quality. It is limitless, is outside (prior to) time, outside (prior to) 
> space.
> 
> Pirsig seeks to preserve this and that's why, from a static point of view DQ 
> is a referring term.

Yes.. There are two perspectives of the MOQ. You're right that from a Dynamic 
understanding there are no limits.  But we are on a philosophical discussion 
board now and we are talking about ideas and concepts and words and all these 
are static things with limits. From a static point of view, while the term DQ 
is referring, it is still a static quality reference and thus not Dynamic 
Quality.

> 
> David:
> Any word that you use, any demarcation of outline or limit is a restriction 
> of the ultimate Dynamic Quality.
> 
> He doesn't say he is 'partially' defining it by outlining a Metaphysics.
> 
> Andre:
> No, I say that any definition is partial, an approximation, a finger pointing 
> to. You can never 'get' it. Any definition of DQ is not DQ. It is sq. You can 
> indefinitely define DQ and never 'get' it. That is why DQ is not 'part' of 
> the MOQ. It is a referring term.'

Right I agree with this.  However as I say above the referring term is yet more 
static quality. This is my point.

-David.
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