Leap of faith, gumption, common sense ... yes. One thing's for sure the foundations of physical science is NOT another scientific theory / hypothesis / principle. See Carlo Rovelli http://www.psybertron.org/?p=4448
(PS Marsha, don't confuse leap of faith, with faith in something.) Ian On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:17 AM, MarshaV <val...@att.net> wrote: > > > > p.s. As a leap of faith, faith in authority doesn't ultimately appeal to me; > that would be even a well respected authority. > > > > > > On Jun 8, 2012, at 3:06 AM, MarshaV <val...@att.net> wrote: > >> Mr. Booth, >> >> I imagine, unless we're only interested in job security and maintaining the >> status quo, as a foundation we want direct insight (experience). The point >> was that while a product of experience, abstractions & generalizations >> (concepts) may stray too far from that experience to be meaningful, even >> intellectually meaningful. The MoQ is empirical, yes? >> >> Marsha >> >> >> On Jun 7, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Frank Booth <frankboot...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>> It's funny to hear Ramanujan named. Mathematics has axioms as the "bottom >>> turtle" and R's english mentors being involved at the time in attempting to >>> lay down a solid self-contained foundation ( T.U.R.T.L.E.W.A.X. ). Good >>> intuition. >>> >>> >>> Value, not concepts: Yes indeed. I would go so far as to say Value and Leap >>> o' Faith are ( is? ) the very same tortuga. >>> >>> Leap of faith is really another way of saying Gumption. >>> >>> >>> From Gumption, the higher symmetries, turtle upon turtle. >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> From: MarshaV <val...@att.net> >>> To: "moq_disc...@moqtalk.org" <moq_disc...@moqtalk.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 6, 2012 9:12 PM >>> Subject: Re: [MD] T.U.R.T.L.E.W.A.X. >>> >>> >>> Direct perceptions and experience (Value), not concepts. >>> >>> >>> On Jun 6, 2012, at 3:00 PM, Frank Booth <frankboot...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> >>>> What is the name of the bottom turtle? >>>> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
