Hi Dan and all Of course I feel sorry for the victims. Different behaviour according to MOQ could be showed by another example. If we compare two teams in a football game for example. The team that stick together and have a common plan will defeeat the other team where everyone plays for himself only.
Second, because we cannot se everything with our eyes, we have brains that see more. That is why we talk and write books. You cannot see a strategy by your eyes but you can see it with your mind and understanding. Third, if the right to handle a dangerous machine like cars and transport of toxical materials deserve education and responsibility to preserve from damage for third man then I think the same should be applicable for guns. How many hours are the police spending on chasing speeders, because high speed is a behaviour that might cause damage to innocent people, compared to the time spent on looking for armed people on the way down? I know an old lady who lost her drivers license because her eyes got weak. When she got her sight checked the doctor immediately informed the traffic department and they withdrew the license to avoid traffic accidents that might hurt innocent people on the streets . Same procedure seem appropriate to me about weapons. If a persons capabilities to act responsible can be questioned then his license must be recalled and the weapons taken from him. Consider the number of accidents by guns compared to the number of accidents by cars. If a country want to have armed people to protect against unjust rulers, the people must be just too. Free and regular medical control for armed people is my suggestion. Other suggestions that are more rational for the socieity are welcome. Sincerely Jan Anders 22 jul 2012 kl. 21:21 skrev Dan Glover <[email protected]>: > Hello everyone > > First, rather than saying the victims in any shooting should of done > this instead of doing that I think it is better to utter a prayer if > you are a praying person or if not to simply hold their image in our > hearts for a moment. > > Second, the social level didn't appear on earth. You won't see social > patterns anywhere. It is a way of organizing reality. It is part of a > metaphysics, not part of reality itself. Social patterns are not > people and animals gathering together. Social patterns are not > physical at all. Inorganic and biological patterns are physical. We > can put them under microscopes and examine them. Social and > intellectual patterns cannot be seen even with the most powerful > microscopes. > > Third, the right to bear arms in the United States has nothing to do > with shooting people shooting at us. The founding fathers saw fit to > give the people the right to defend themselves against unjust rulers > by forming militias. > > Thank you, > > Dan > > http://www.danglover.com > > On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 2:38 AM, Jan Anders Andersson > <[email protected]> wrote: >> Hi all >> >> Today it is one year since Breivik freaked out in Norway and killed 77 >> innocent people. Only a few days ago another guy killed 12 and injured many >> more in Denver. >> >> Wilhelm Reich anticipated this behaviour in his book from 1948, "Listen, >> Little Man!": >> "You are afraid of life, Little Man, deadly afraid. You will murder it in >> the belief of doing it for the sake of "socialism," or "the state," or >> "national honor," or "the glory of God." >> >> I happened to write something about this in my book as a practical >> experience of the MOQ levels. An analysis of this kind maybe could be >> helpful to find a way out. >> >> My contribution is only an example based on the MOQ: >> >> "Pirsig found that there was a new level arising from the biological. A new >> level using the biological level in the same way as the biology uses and is >> dependent on the physical inorganic level. Social strategies appeared on >> Earth that use the biological life for its own purposes. Bees, ants, herds >> of antelopes, fish shoals and humans. Group strategies that benefit from the >> biological level but in a new way. A field of grass can be regarded as a >> group strategy to survive better in the face of football players. There are >> always a few plants that survive and can pass on the genes. Bees and ants >> have members in their society with different roles that can cooperate. In a >> social network and society, it is no longer important that all are similar >> copies. In social strategies there are different roles and there is a >> decisive advantage with these differences. Social strategies can’t exist >> without the biology but the biological level can exist without the social.” >> “So that is the basis for human society. Social strategies and the founding >> of networks, tribes, societies and nations. When they make war on each other >> it is at the biological competitive level. When people try to build a >> federation because it offers a better economy than war, then it is social >> behaviour.” >> “Bravo! You are getting it fast!” >> “Well it is not so special, is it? Most of this ought to be known already?” >> >> “I am not so sure about that. In school shootings the victims use biological >> strategies. They run like stupid chickens and every individual becomes an >> easy target. If they instead stick together and act socially they can >> overrun the villain in seconds. Some will be shot but the more will survive >> and the loony is definitely the loser. I’d rather die for and together with >> my friends than alone and abandoned in a hole. >> “Most people want to join working life but they have to compete to be part >> of it. There is competition for jobs, celebrity, for positions within the >> social level. Many are put aside and forced to be poor and homeless even if >> they still are doing their very best. People should have the right to be >> weak. Anyone should have the right to be proud of his membership in the >> social level. Regardless of position." >> excerpt from Money and the Art of Losing Control, ch 12 >> >> Yesterday my wife said at breakfast regarding the right to wear arms: "If >> people's got the right to wear arms then they should have the right to a >> free and private shrink also." >> > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
