Again, greetings Dan, On Jul 23, 2012, at 5:54 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
> > Greetings again Dan, > > > On Jul 23, 2012, at 3:03 AM, Dan Glover <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello everyone >> >> On Sun, Jul 22, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Hi Dan and All, >>> >>> IMHO It is not useful to describe Dynamic Quality as the "source of all >>> things, completely simple and always new." DQ is a metaphysical term, >>> described as being indefinable experience. >> >> Dan: >> >> Hi Joe! >> It is always a pleasure to hear from you... thank you for writing! >> >> Well, I am merely quoting the author of the MOQ here: >> >> "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of reality, the >> source of all things, completely simple and always new." [Lila] >> >> So if this isn't useful I am unsure what part of the MOQ is useful. >> This seems like the foundation of it all. > > It seems to me this quote represents the foundation of the MoQ: > > "Dynamic Quality is defined constantly by everyone. Consciousness can be > described is a process of defining Dynamic Quality. But once the definitions > emerge, they are static patterns and no longer apply to Dynamic Quality. So > one can say correctly that Dynamic Quality is both infinitely definable and > undefinable because definition never exhausts it." > (LILA's CHILD) > > Please note that defining process of consciousness is not confined to the > Intellectual Level. > > > Marsha Now what would be some of the ways RMP might possibly respond? He might state that Dan is correct because the statement he presented better represents the foundation of the MoQ. Or he might state that Marsha is better because the quote she presented more correctly represents the MoQ. Or he might state that both quotes are good, but the foundation of the MoQ is the idea that the world is nothing but value. Or he might state that in presenting such quotes we only prove we're both clueless. Or he might state it's as William James says... Or he might suggest we consult Anthony. Or he might state Joe has had it right all along. Or he might state it's for everyone to work it out as BEST they can. Etc., &etc., &etc........... No one is suggesting it is anything goes, but neither is there any verification it is just as YOU think it to be. Marsha >> I get the feeling a number >> of contributors here believe we all should just make it up as we go >> along. >> >> I cannot help but wonder: how useful is that? I am operating under the >> (perhaps mistaken) assumption that we are here to discuss Robert >> Pirsig's work and in particular the MOQ as described in Lila... are we >> not? >> >>> >>> The experience of emotions seems to be a proper analogy for DQ. I do not >>> see emotions as the "source of all things, completely simple and always >>> new." Intellectual activity seems to be a higher reality. >> >> Dan: >> I believe the MOQ classifies emotions as biological activity. So yes, >> you are right... emotions are not the source of all things. >> >>> >>> Emotions may have been present when the founding fathers created the >>> constitution, but intellectual activity describes the results. DQ emotions >>> are subject to intellectual activity as a lower level to a higher level as >>> the delegates are to the constitution. DQ emotions as perceptions evolve >>> into DQ/SQ intellectual conceptions. Evolution is alive and well. >> >> Dan: >> If emotions are the intelligence of biological responses then they are >> apart and separate from the intelligence of the mind. When I fall in >> love I am completely irrational. I walk around with a silly grin on my >> face for no reason at all. When I am close to her though my body >> responds in ways my mind cannot fathom. I revel in her scent, her >> touch, her taste; the sound of her voice is like music. >> >> So I know what love is but I cannot describe it any more than I can >> describe the taste of an apple. It is all very mysterious and yet so >> familiar. >> >> But I am not telling you anything that you do not already know... >> >> Thank you, >> >> Dan >> >> http://www.danglover.com >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
