Hello everyone On Wed, Jul 25, 2012 at 10:03 AM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dan and Dave, > I have been enjoying your discussion on the subject matter of > Dynamic Quality, freedom and Good and wanted to comment > in regard to this and to how it fits together with Bob Pirsigs > aim at helping the cultural crisis experienced in the west. > We cant rightly start off if I first dont specify how connecting > emotional value to Dynamic Quality somehow intimately links > up to the meaning of terms like freedom and Good . > The feeling of satisfaction of a job well done, of doing the "right" > thing or of paying something forward. In short, the emotional > value of excellence. > > The Question I raise to you both is how do you think that emotional > value connects up to the Question of what is Dynamic Quality?
Dan: I think there are different kinds of satisfaction in the MOQ. Biological satisfaction is more emotional than intellectual satisfaction. If we take a look at the characters in LILA we see how Phaedrus is described as cold and aloof, the most isolated individual Rigel has ever known. Lila is described as full of emotions. She is always flitting about from man to man hoping to find Mr. Right, someone who will sweep her off her feet. She plays on her biological good looks to attract them but once they discover thats all there is, they leave. As soon as we say what Dynamic Quality is, we've introduced concepts where no concepts belong. It is better to say what Dynamic Quality is not. I don't believe there is anything in LILA that leads us to the conclusion that emotions and Dynamic Quality are synonymous. This feeling of 'a job well done' has more to do with Rta/ritual and social quality patterns. Duty. See here: "Rta. That's what was missing from her life. Ritual. "Arriving at work Monday morning is rta. Getting paid Friday evening is rta. Walking into the grocery store and taking food off the shelf to feed one's children is rta. Paying for it with the money received on Friday is more rta." [Lila] Dan comments: I think we might look at this as a kind of social satisfaction... the duty we feel towards others. Work isn't just about making money. It is the sense of camaraderie we feel... doing the right thing. Work fills our day with ritual and makes us feel like we belong to something bigger than ourselves. > > Because, somehow I think the explanation of an affirmative connotation > to the term Dynamic Quality held within it a unifying factor of Pirsigs > general overall aim. Dan: This part in Lila talks about what makes NYC so Dynamically alive and yet so degenerate at the same time: "That, Phaedrus thought, is how the Metaphysics of Quality explains the incredible contrasts of the best and the worst one sees here. "Both exist here in such terrific intensity because New York's never been committed to any preservation of its static patterns. It's always ready to change. Whether you are or not. That is what creates its horror and that is what creates its power. Its strength is its looseness. "It's the freedom to be so awful that gives it the freedom to be so good." [Lila] Dan comments: By saying Dynamic Quality is always affirmative we have inadvertently pigeon-holed it into being good. It is better to say Dynamic Quality is not this, not that. That which drives the degenerates in society also drives the Dynamic innovators. By eliminating the degeneracy Dynamic Quality is also eliminated. Thank you, Dan http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
