Hi Mark,
On Sep 9, 2012, at 12:55 PM, 118 wrote:
> Hi Marsha,
> I understand, I prefer to see patterns as creative. As creations,
> incompleteness is a given. When you claim incompleteness of what we know,
> this only says that we have more to create.
Is this what it says to you?
> Just out of curiosity, you say knowledge is hypothetical as opposed to
> another alternative;
I don't remember setting up such an opposition. I wrote that I find it more
useful to consider objects of knowledge (stuff in the encyclopedia) as 'static
patterns of value' ("patterns") rather than 'truths'. I think the term
'patterns' is a good representation. Further I wrote that I prefer to think
about patterns as hypothetical.
> Does this mean that there are things that are not hypothetical? If so, what
> are these things? If not, then your term hypothetical seems meaningless.
Okay it seems meaningless to you.
> Please give us some more meaning, by providing an example of the non-
> hypothetical that your awareness provides. If everything is uncertain for
> you, even uncertainty, where do you start? That the hypothetical is
> hypothetical, this could mean that the hypothetical is truth. How do you
> resolve this paradox?
Not playing the liar's paradox game.
Marsha
> On Sep 8, 2012, at 4:30 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> On Sep 8, 2012, at 5:59 AM, David Harding wrote:
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>>> Hi Marsha,
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>>>> Oh my, do you mean that I might be interested in where value/morals
>>>> (patterns) come from? I am also interested in the nature of all patterns
>>>> and what individual patterns value.
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>>> Except Marsha, you are not interested in high quality intellectual
>>> patterns. Truth? What is a rose by any other name?
>>>
>>> -David.
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>> Except David, I am interested in metaphysics, the MoQ, which is the branch
>> of philosophy that inquires into the nature of reality and that makes it,
>> _on the theoretical level_, an intellectual pattern of value. That I do not
>> agree with your intellectual opinion of this or that, is no trouble for me;
>> sorry it is for you. That I do not concur with your priorities or
>> evaluations is not a problem for me; sorry it is for you. I find it a
>> higher value and more useful to consider objects of knowledge (stuff in the
>> encyclopedia) patterns rather than truths. And I find it of higher value
>> and more useful to consider patterns as hypothetical for reasons that once
>> one accepts the MoQ's fundamental principal that the world is nothing but
>> Value, then 'expanded rationality' occurs when an individual transforms the
>> natural tendency to reify self and world into the natural tendency to hold
>> all static patterns of value to be hypothetical (supposed but not
>> necessarily real or true.) Und
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>> tanding static (patterned) value as hypothetical acknowledges the
>> incompleteness of what we know and makes room for additional inquiry with
>> new possibilities; it promotes an attitude of fearless curiosity: gumption.
>> It moves one away from thinking of entities as existing inherently and
>> existing independent of consciousness.
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>> I have agreed that 'truth' is an intellectual static pattern of value: it
>> can be found in an encyclopedia but there is no consensus on how it should
>> be interpreted. I don't find your definition of 'truth' - an idea which
>> represents experience beautifully - very useful or beautiful. I find
>> holding PATTERNS as hypothetical far more elegant.
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