Andre, I take the two-view perspective of the MoQ. There is the MoQ as the intellectual/conceptual metaphysical system, with all its examples and supporting explanation, which was presented by RMP in 'LILA' and with interviews, text and letters; and there is the MoQ as Reality = Quality (Dynamic/static), or as I prefer to think of it: Value(unpatterned/patterned).
Marsha On Oct 28, 2012, at 1:40 PM, Andre Broersen wrote: > Marsha to Joe: > I have the MoQ as Reality = Quality(Dynamic/static). There is no additional > 'something' called 'belief'. > > Andre: > Here Marsha clearly demonstrates her belief once again. She fails to > understand that the MoQ is NOT Reality. There is absolutely nothing RATIONAL > about her equation above. Rather she keeps on repeating her deep seated > BELIEF (ie her own socially patterned conviction) that this is indeed the > case. Hereby completely discarding Pirsig's own intellectual statment (see > paraphrased below). > > Ah, the social vs the intellectual...and we have seen plenty of examples of > whose side Marsha barracks for. Marsha hates intellectuals. Yep, kill all > them intellectual patterns, yep...kill them all. > > For goodness sake Marsha you must have learnt something in all these years. > But to learn something also involves the value of listening to others and > maybe even being open to learning from them. > But that is something you refuse to do. > > You keep on repeating Bodvar's illusion(!!)by equating the MoQ with Reality. > The MoQ is a static intellectual pattern of value. 'Quality' is NOT part of > the MoQ. The MoQ uses the referent term 'DQ' to REFER to Quality...to point > towards. If it were part of the MoQ it would become an intellectual chess > piece, it would be raped, torn apart, ridiculed and whatever.... as you and > some others here on this discuss keep on doing. > > Pirsig is very adamant, clear and definite about this. It is important to > keep all concepts away from Quality...keep them out of the equation. As soon > as you do it is static. > > For somebody who is trying to look at the MoQ through Buddhist eyes you are > making a fool of yourself, the MoQ and the rich philosophical tradition > called Buddhism, in all its variations. > > You are not only confused...you really do not have a clue. > > Now, I can anticipate your response. It'll be going something like 'la di da > di da'. > > If you are going to respond, answer this very straightforward, clear, no bull > quaestion: > > Do you believe that the MoQ=Reality? > (this is not a misrepresentation of your statement above by the way. Just > answer the question) > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
