dmb said to Mark and Marsha:
...It's not that you need to understand what I mean by the distinction but
rather what Pirsig and James mean to say. This is Pirsig quoting William James
in LILA, at the end of chapter 29:
" 'There must always be a discrepancy between concepts and reality, because the
former are static and discontinuous while the latter is dynamic and flowing.'
Here James had chosen exactly the same words Phaedrus had used for the basic
subdivision of the Metaphysics of Quality."
...There is plenty of textual evidence that shows the importance this
distinction. "Quality is a direct experience independent of and prior to
intellectual abstractions. Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable
in the sense that there is a knower and a known,..."
Mark replied:
...Tell me dmb, what does the metaphysics you have created have to do with
Qualiity. That is, based on your understanding of Quality, how does your
metaphysics fit in? How does your metaphysics describe Quality. If you answer
this at least I can figure out where you are coming from. Is your metaphysics
OF Quality, or is it OF something else?
dmb says:
We're talking about Pirsig's philosophy and Pirsig's words, not my metaphysics.
You said you didn't understand the claim that that "there must always be a
discrepancy between concepts and reality". So I showed you that this was a
claim made by James and quoted by Pirsig and tried to explain what THEY mean by
it.
Your question shows that you did not comprehend that explanation because the
answer was already there. "Quality is a direct experience independent of and
prior to intellectual abstractions." Unlike the intellectual abstractions,
which are "static and discontinuous", "reality,.. is dynamic and flowing".
Immediate experience is reality, is DQ. Quality is the primary empirical
reality and static quality is always derived from this dynamic flux. That what
Pirisg means when he says "Quality is the source and substance of everything".
This is how he puts the Good over the true too. All static intellectual quality
is derived from this primary empirical reality and is only true insofar as it
sucessfully answers to this reality.
Oh, never mind. You don't really believe that you need to be corrected on this.
You're not gonna listen to me.
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