[Horse] A good assessment Arlo. Perhaps it's about time that the members of this list take back the initiative to express what it is that Pirsig is saying.
[Arlo] Agree. I've been somewhat preoccupied with other matters and, to be honest, my gumption level for dealing with that sort of trolling nonsense had pretty much been completed depleted. FWIW, I've been continuing to scan Northrop, albeit at a slower pace, but should be able to provide a digital copy of The Meeting of East and West to interested scholars in the near future. What would be nice is a collected effort to 'tag' the text to relevant or associated points made in Pirsig's writings. [Horse] It does need a concerted effort though - DMB is doing a good job countering the arguments of certain members but cannot do it on his own. [Arlo] The trouble is (as I think even DMB himself commented) DMB is trying to use an intellectual argument against an anti-intellectual position. The trolls are not interested in reason, or proof, or logic, or agreement with Pirsig, or anything of the sort. They are interested only in attacking the great evil of academia and rationality. Mark sees his incoherence not as a weakness, but as PROOF that he is operating "on a level above" DMB. The very fact that DMB makes citations to Pirsig is PROOF to Mark that his uncited, unsupported ramblings about Pirsig are superior. Marsha isn't interested in anything Pirsig says that contradicts the old SOLAQI nonsense, she is here beat on intellect-as-SOM and academics as SOM-stuck preachers. * Side note: it was funny, of course, when following a string of posts accusing DMB of weakness and inferiority for providing evidence, quotes and citations, to see Pirsig's comments on politics be summarily dismissed as weak and inferior because he doesn't provide evidence, quotes and citations. I guess the lesson is you only need citations when you challenge right-wing orthodoxies (and my guess is they would be dismissed anyway as 'biased'), any other time citations just prove stupidity. [Horse] I have said that this list should be expressly about Pirsig's MoQ and not a mish-mash of poorly thought out 'in my opinion' nonsense. Pirsig is the best place to go for evidence of how the MoQ works and quotes supporting a position. [Arlo] I, in no way, meant to imply fault on your end, Horse. In fact, if anything, I include your voice to the voices that have been drown out by the trolling. I do understand, of course, that its never just that, we all have other lives and other endeavors, but its sad that the stronger voices here (apart from DMB) are no longer as active. [Horse] Take back the list now or risk losing it to wooly-headed garbage. It's your choice. [Arlo] Agree. I admit to my own part in letting the nonsense get in the way. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
