That's right Jan. If it has value it exists. It starts with your own hands and heart. It starts with yourself.
. Jan Anders Andersson <[email protected]> wrote: >Sure Marsha > >Being "nothing but Value" does not mean that it is worthless. > >J A > >3 feb 2013 kl. 10.29 skrev MarshaV: > >> >> J-A, >> >> Save the Robert DeNiro impersonation... >> >> Metaphysics is the investigation into the nature of reality. The >> Metaphysics of Quality has as its fundamental principle the idea that the >> world is nothing but value. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:20 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Marsha >>> >>> Who do you look at in the mirror? Some One else? >>> >>> I am talking to You. >>> >>> Being someone can be a pleasure or a suffering inferno, it all depends on >>> how well we learn how to do it. By excellence or without balance. >>> >>> MOQ is about things, living organisms, social group identities and >>> paradigms. They all have a dynamic (time related) and a static (almost >>> permanent) quality side. >>> >>> The whole thing is "to be", or not to be. >>> >>> There is always something out there that is - phantastic. You'll see it if >>> you look for it. >>> >>> JanAnders >>> >>> 3 feb 2013 kl. 09:17 skrev MarshaV <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> >>>> A Buddhist perspective of self: No central unit, but a flow of mental >>>> states which rise, produce function and disappear, which gives rise to the >>>> next mental state producing a stream of mental states. >>>> >>>> >>>> In Buddhism there is the term 'anatta', no-self: >>>> >>>> One cannot say that the self (I) exists. >>>> One cannot say that the self (I) does not exist. >>>> One cannot say that self (I) both exists and does not exist. >>>> One cannot say that the self (I) neither exists nor does not exist. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Some MoQ quotes: >>>> >>>> "An example of sammuti-sacca [conventional (relative) truth, or static >>>> quality] is the concept of self. Pirsig follows the Buddha’s teachings >>>> about the ‘self’ which doesn’t recognise that it has any real existence >>>> and that only ‘nothingness’ (i.e. Dynamic Quality) is thought to be real. >>>> According to Rahula, the Buddha taught that a clinging to the self as real >>>> is the primary cause of dukkha (which is usually translated as >>>> ‘suffering’). Having said this, Rahula (1959, p.55) makes it very clear >>>> that it’s not incorrect to ‘use such expressions in our daily life as ‘I’, >>>> ‘you’, ‘being’, ‘individual’, etc’ as long as it is remembered that the >>>> self (like anything else conceptualised) is just a useful convention." >>>> (McWatt, MoQ Textbook) >>>> >>>> >>>> "This fictitious 'man' has many synonyms; 'mankind,' 'people,' 'the >>>> public,' and even such pronouns as 'I,' 'he,' and 'they.' Our language is >>>> so organized around them and they are so convenient to use it is >>>> impossible to get rid of them. There is really no need to. Like >>>> 'substance' they can be used as long as it is remembered that they're >>>> terms for collections of patterns and not some independent primary reality >>>> of their own." >>>> (LILA, Chapter 12) >>>> >>>> >>>> "This Cartesian 'Me,' this autonomous little homunculus who sits behind >>>> our eyeballs looking out through them in order to pass judgment on the >>>> affairs of the world, is just completely ridiculous. This self-appointed >>>> little editor of reality is just an impossible fiction that collapses the >>>> moment one examines it. This Cartesian 'Me' is a software reality, not a >>>> hardware reality. This body on the left and this body on the right are >>>> running variations of the same program, the same 'Me,' which doesn't >>>> belong to either of them. The 'Me's' are simply a program format. >>>> >>>> "Talk about aliens from another planet. This program based on 'Me's' and >>>> 'We's' is the alien. 'We' has only been here for a few thousand years or >>>> so. But these bodies that 'We' has taken over were around for ten times >>>> that long before 'We' came along. And the cells - my God, the cells have >>>> been around for thousands of times that long." >>>> (LILA, Chapter 15) >>>> >>>> >>>> “The MOQ, as I understand it, denies any existence of a “self” that is >>>> independent of inorganic, biological, social or intellectual patterns. >>>> There is no “self” that contains these patterns. These patterns contain >>>> the self. This denial agrees with both religious mysticism and scientific >>>> knowledge. In Zen, there is reference to “big self” and “small self.” >>>> Small self is the patterns. Big self is Dynamic Quality." >>>> (RMP, Lila’s Child, Annotation 29) >>>> >>>> >>>> "It's important to remember that both science and Eastern religions regard >>>> "the individual" as an empty concept. It is literally a figure of speech. >>>> If you start assigning concrete reality to it, you will find yourself in a >>>> philosophic quandary". >>>> (RMP, Lila’s Child, Annotattion 77) >>>> >>>> >>>> "The MOQ, like the Buddhists and the Determinists (odd bedfellows) says >>>> this “autonomous individual” is an illusion." >>>> (RMP, Copleston) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > >Moq_Discuss mailing list >Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >Archives: >http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
