Hi Joe

The Octave (in most western music) and the colour spectrum (along with other things such as genes) are an approximation. The intervals in the octave division are also an approximation and not an exact subdivision - the brain is quite capable of evening out the differences so everything sounds correct. All templates for reality are approximations which is why I like Pirsigs work (just as it is and without some megalomaniac assuming he has a better handle on it) as it is a better approximation than previous approximations.

Cheers

Horse



On 23/02/2013 19:03, Joseph Maurer wrote:
Hi Horse and All,

As a amateur singer (Church choir) I wonder why the octave of sound or the
color spectrum has not become a template for reality.  Sound seems to be
reality, and there is a structure called the octave with differing intervals
which seems to give some order.  Hell, even the intervals are not all equal.

Metaphysical music and color are exciting!

Joe


On 2/23/13 10:40 AM, "Horse" <[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Marsha
I've got to say that I agree with DMB about the contradiction of
terms
within your definition of self.
If something is static or stable how
can it be ever-changing?
If something is static or stable it tends not to
change over time or if
it does change it changes slowly, thus retaining it's
stability.
If something is ever-changing then it tends to be unstable and/or
chaotic.
Patterns of value that are stable persist over time which would
appear
to be the antithesis of your definition.

If you insist that static
patterns of value are ever changing - i.e.
stable patterns are unstable -
would you mind showing how you manage to
overcome what appears to be an
inconsistency in your definition.
I think I see what you're getting at but
this part of your definition
just doesn't appear to make sense and repeating
it over and over offers
no explanation.

Cheers

Horse



On 23/02/2013
09:18, MarshaV wrote:
Greetings,

Re: self & static patterns of
value



One definition I provide is concerning 'self'.  If one asks:
What is the relationship between the individual and static quality?  I'd
answer: "The ³self² is a flow of ever-changing, conditionally co-dependent and
impermanent static patterns: inorganic patterns, biological patterns, social
patterns and intellectual patterns of value flowing in the infinite field of
Dynamic Quality."

My definition of static patterns of value is of
repetitious and ever-changing process:
Static patterns of value are
repetitive processes, conditionally co-dependent, impermanent and
ever-changing, that pragmatically tend to persist and change within a stable,
predictable pattern.  Within the MoQ, these patterns are morally categorized
into a four-level, evolutionary, hierarchical structure:  inorganic,
biological, social and intellectual. Static quality exists in stable patterns
relative to other patterns:  patterns depend upon ( exist relative to)
innumerable causes and conditions (patterns), depend upon (exist relative to)
parts and the collection of parts (patterns), depend upon (exist relative to)
conceptual designation (patterns). Patterns have no independent, inherent
existence.  Further, these patterns pragmatically exist relative to an
individual's static pattern of life history.


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