Hello everyone On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 1:38 PM, David Morey <[email protected]> wrote: > > When a shrimp identifies its mate is this pre-intellectual or not?
Dan: Not. Mating is biological. > > I've always assumed that identification, pattern, regularity, sameness > is something that goes on pre-intellectually in all forms of interaction and > information exchange in the cosmos, in molecules, in life before intellect > comes along, and this is all pre-intellectual SQ. Sure Pirsig does not state > this obvious fact of experience in these terms but I assume it is what he > was pointing his finger at. Do you really think there are no static > qualities > in experience before intellect, words, concepts? Dan: Static quality emerges from experience. There is no way to say whether or not static quality exists before it emerges from experience. > What are colours, shapes, > smells, feelings if not SQ? Dan: Well, these are all static quality concepts. Whoever said they were not? > I find it hard to make sense of the MOQ without > pre-intellectual SQ, or make sense of the history of the cosmos prior > to human intellectual becoming if we adopt this strange way if interpreting > SQ as I see it. Dan: There is nothing strange about it. What is strange is statements like 'pre-intellectual SQ.' > > If SQ did not exist before human being how does MOQ explain DNA? Dan: DNA is a static quality pattern that emerges from experience. Remember the bit about gravity in ZMM? Did DNA exist before Crick and Watson discovered it? > This > is making MOQ an idealism and non-realist, bad move I'd suggest, it is > anti-scientific too. Dan: The MOQ subscribes to pure empiricism. It encompasses scientific materialism as well as philosophic idealism. Thank you, Dan http://www.danglover.com Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
