Hello Joe Honestly, I don't understand much of what you are writing and my pedagogic talent is close to zero. How do you choose your words?
Jan Anders 1 apr 2013 kl. 22:01 skrev Joseph Maurer <[email protected]>: > Hi MarshaV and All, > > The discussion embraces the path to knowledge without the analysis of the > theory of knowledge. The logic of mathematics, defined experience, cannot > logically validate indefinable emotions DQ/SQ. > > The SOM metaphysical suggestion of abstraction as the value of knowledge is > indefensible. Knowledge is direct experience. > > How does a theory of knowledge incorporate direct experience in definition? > Pirsig suggests that a sentient being perceives DQ/SQ. DQ is indefinable > direct experience. SQ is definable direct experience. > > The metaphysical description is DQ/SQ. The structure for experience is > DQ/SQ. What separates DQ/SQ as the description of reality? DQ is > indefinable, SQ is definable. > > Understanding MOQ, the metaphysics of describing indefinable/definable > reality, can be somewhat vague. > > DQ, indefinable, is not necessarily coupled to definable SQ in evolution! > It can stand alone, indefinable reality. DQ/SQ tweaks the theory of > knowledge to a more complex metaphysical definable/indefinable structure in > direct experience. > > IMHO Joe > > > On 4/1/13 1:04 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Joe, >> >> Directly experiencing DQ is directly realizing that there is nothing (nothing >> divisible, definable and knowable) persisting from moment to moment. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> On Mar 31, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha V, and All, >>> >>> Fundamental nature needs some consideration in DQ/SQ metaphysics. If >>> something is indefinable, there must be some congruent indefinable way to >>> perceive it. I call that perception DQ. The conceivable conception is >>> definable SQ. >>> >>> Jode >>> >>> >>> On 3/29/13 12:38 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Hello Joe, >>>> >>>> I understand the fundamental nature of static quality (determinate) to be >>>> Dynamic Quality (indeterminate). With this being a good analogy of that >>>> relationship. >>>> >>>> "Water is distinct from ice, but in the ice cube it is present: not as a >>>> fly >>>> might be trapped there, but _in the very ice_. And yet when the ice cube >>>> is >>>> gone, the water remains. Although we see water as ice, we do so not >>>> because >>>> it is there separately, to be seen from behind or apart from the cube." >>>> >>>> (Iain McGilchrist, 'The MASTER and his EMISSARY: >>>> The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World', p. >>>> 452). >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 28, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi MarshaV and All, >>>>> >>>>> I am confused! >>>>> >>>>> Do you view dynamic (indefinable) quality and static (definable) quality >>>>> as >>>>> having the same fundamental nature and only a difference in time or >>>>> location >>>>> for definition? >>>>> >>>>> I observe a value in the definition of perception (individual) as >>>>> different >>>>> from the definition of the conception of creation or evolution. >>>>> >>>>> IMHO >>>>> Metaphysical DQ/SQ makes possible an evolution of levels in existence. >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 3/28/13 8:53 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> For me, this is a good analogy for 'the fundamental nature of static >>>>>> quality >>>>>> is Dynamic Quality.' >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
