Hi Jan-Anders Anderson, I try to be open so the words can choose me so to speak!
Joe On 4/1/13 1:07 PM, "Jan-Anders Andersson" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Joe > > Honestly, I don't understand much of what you are writing and my pedagogic > talent is close to zero. How do you choose your words? > > Jan Anders > > 1 apr 2013 kl. 22:01 skrev Joseph Maurer <[email protected]>: > >> Hi MarshaV and All, >> >> The discussion embraces the path to knowledge without the analysis of the >> theory of knowledge. The logic of mathematics, defined experience, cannot >> logically validate indefinable emotions DQ/SQ. >> >> The SOM metaphysical suggestion of abstraction as the value of knowledge is >> indefensible. Knowledge is direct experience. >> >> How does a theory of knowledge incorporate direct experience in definition? >> Pirsig suggests that a sentient being perceives DQ/SQ. DQ is indefinable >> direct experience. SQ is definable direct experience. >> >> The metaphysical description is DQ/SQ. The structure for experience is >> DQ/SQ. What separates DQ/SQ as the description of reality? DQ is >> indefinable, SQ is definable. >> >> Understanding MOQ, the metaphysics of describing indefinable/definable >> reality, can be somewhat vague. >> >> DQ, indefinable, is not necessarily coupled to definable SQ in evolution! >> It can stand alone, indefinable reality. DQ/SQ tweaks the theory of >> knowledge to a more complex metaphysical definable/indefinable structure in >> direct experience. >> >> IMHO Joe >> >> >> On 4/1/13 1:04 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> Joe, >>> >>> Directly experiencing DQ is directly realizing that there is nothing >>> (nothing >>> divisible, definable and knowable) persisting from moment to moment. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 31, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Marsha V, and All, >>>> >>>> Fundamental nature needs some consideration in DQ/SQ metaphysics. If >>>> something is indefinable, there must be some congruent indefinable way to >>>> perceive it. I call that perception DQ. The conceivable conception is >>>> definable SQ. >>>> >>>> Jode >>>> >>>> >>>> On 3/29/13 12:38 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hello Joe, >>>>> >>>>> I understand the fundamental nature of static quality (determinate) to be >>>>> Dynamic Quality (indeterminate). With this being a good analogy of that >>>>> relationship. >>>>> >>>>> "Water is distinct from ice, but in the ice cube it is present: not as a >>>>> fly >>>>> might be trapped there, but _in the very ice_. And yet when the ice cube >>>>> is >>>>> gone, the water remains. Although we see water as ice, we do so not >>>>> because >>>>> it is there separately, to be seen from behind or apart from the cube." >>>>> >>>>> (Iain McGilchrist, 'The MASTER and his EMISSARY: >>>>> The Divided Brain and the Making of the Western World', p. >>>>> 452). >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Marsha >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 28, 2013, at 4:10 PM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi MarshaV and All, >>>>>> >>>>>> I am confused! >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you view dynamic (indefinable) quality and static (definable) quality >>>>>> as >>>>>> having the same fundamental nature and only a difference in time or >>>>>> location >>>>>> for definition? >>>>>> >>>>>> I observe a value in the definition of perception (individual) as >>>>>> different >>>>>> from the definition of the conception of creation or evolution. >>>>>> >>>>>> IMHO >>>>>> Metaphysical DQ/SQ makes possible an evolution of levels in existence. >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 3/28/13 8:53 AM, "MarshaV" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> For me, this is a good analogy for 'the fundamental nature of static >>>>>>> quality >>>>>>> is Dynamic Quality.' >>> >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
