Hi David
On 07/06/2013 16:06, David Harding wrote:
Dear Horse,
It is amazing to me that we cannot talk about a 'perspective' which is fundamental to the
MOQ. Khoo is totally right that "From the point of view of Eastern Philosophy,
there is no denial of intellect, but merely placing it in its proper place." This
too is what the MOQ does and so can we not*intellectually* talk about the alternative
perspective or the experience of Dynamic Quality?
You can talk about it all you want! I have never stopped anyone talking
about what is an integral part of Quality. My objection is that it is
lazy and dishonest to use DQ/Mystic status as an excuse for sloppy
thinking and poor reasoning.
If you want to talk intellectually about DQ then go ahead. You won't get
very far because DQ cannot be captured by the intellect. If you want to
do the textual equivalent of waving your hands about that's up to you
but stop trying to use this as some form of excuse for poor reasoning
and sloppy thinking. That is the point I have been making but which some
on MD refuse to see!
Along these lines I was about to post this riddled with the term 'perspective'
and then noticed your lack of value for the term 'perspective'. In line with
RMP I will start to use the terms 'static point of view' and 'Dynamic
understanding' instead as per the following two quality Lila's Child Quotes..
"From an intellectual point of view, Dynamic understanding is a logical
contradiction. Logic does not control Dynamic understanding however and within it there
is no contradiction."
Where does this relate to poor reasoning and sloppy thinking? However it
relates there is still no excuse to be had. As I've stated a number of
times this is a forum for philosophy not 'Mystic Malcolm's quotes and
musings'. Discuss DQ all you want in threads labelled as such that
relate to Robert Pirsig's MoQ! Why is that such a hard concept for some
members of this list? What I'd really like to see is for certain folks
to stop fucking about and playing asshole games and get stuck into the
business of this forum - discussing ROBERT PIRSIG'S METAPHYSICS OF
QUALITY!!!
Before I paste the other quote - see how a Dynamic understanding is*opposed*
to intellect? It is a logical*contradiction*. These are not my words Horse.
They are RMP's. Anyway here's the other quote in which RMP again uses the
terms 'static point of view' and 'Dynamic understanding'..
"Good question. The “Gateless Gate” analogy of the Buddhists may be the answer.
In this analogy, as one approaches the gate, it seems to be a goal, but after one
has passed through and looks back he sees there never was any
gate Translating back into the MOQ, one can say that Dynamic Quality is a goal from
a static point of view, but is the origin of all things from a Dynamic
understanding."
Wonderful! Now that you've got that off your chest can I presume that
you'll get back to the business of moq_discus (see above).
Anyway, feel free to pull me up if I say anything below which you are unhappy
with and I will try and adjust accordingly. I would like to re-iterate that I
do very much value this forum for its intellectual value and I think it has a
great culture because of it's support of this.
Thank you David, I'm glad to see that you support the aims of the MD
forum - that of intellectual quality as opposed to musings about the
indefinable. There is a time and a place for discussion of DQ, if
members so choose, and I will support it's inclusion on this list with
the proviso that it is not used inappropriately with the intention of
either attempting to trash Intellect or falsely claiming that
'DQ/Mystic' thinking or perspective or whatever trumps intellect. This
is pure bullshit and will be treated as such.
Cheers
Horse
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