On 9/21/13 4:46 AM, "Andre Broersen" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Andre: > By your insistence that all is emptiness (a la Nagarjuna). You use this > to dismiss any attempt to correct your confused understanding of > Pirsig's MoQ. > Secondly, you use your own experience to dismiss any attempt at > correcting your confused understanding of Pirsig's MoQ. You defended the > 'patterns are everchanging' in that it 'agrees with my experience and > synthesizes well with the MoQ, which is based on empirical experiences'. > I'll correct this statement by amending it to: 'agrees with my > experience and synthesises well with MY INTERPRETATION OF the MoQ, which > is based on MY INTERPRETATION of empirical experiences'. [Dave] Sound familiar? Like this? "Stop!" says the Chairman, who has now completely recovered his composure. "You are giving us the plot, not the dialogue." He calls on the next student. None of the students seems to know to the Chairman¹s satisfaction what the dialogue is about. And so with mock sadness he says they must all read more thoroughly but this time he will help them by taking on the burden of explaining the dialogue himself........... ..............Then the question is asked him, "What is dialectic?" He thinks about it, and then, by God, turns to Phædrus and asks if he would care to answer. "You mean my personal opinion?" Phædrus asks. "Nolet us say, Aristotle¹s opinion." No subtleties now. He is just going to get Phædrus on his own territory and let him have it. "As best I know" Phædrus says, and pauses. "Yes?" The Chairman is all smiles. Everything is all set. "As best I know, Aristotle¹s opinion is that dialectic comes before everything else." The Chairman¹s expression goes from unction to shock to rage in one-half second flat. It does! His face shouts, but he never says it. The trapper trapped again. He can¹t kill Phædrus on a statement taken from his own article in the Encyclopaedia Britannica. Rhetoric, 2; Dialectic, 0. "And from the dialectic come the forms," Phædrus continues, "and from." But the Chairman cuts it off. He sees it cannot go his way and dismisses it. ZaMM Pg 227-229 [Dave] The analogy I like for what's been going on here for the last few years is "The Chairman and his Gang of Four." Their propaganda is first, memorize the little Red Books, then unless you are willing to be purged, stop thinking and never, never criticize anything they say. Somehow this cohort missed the line that directly followed the above quotes. "He shouldn¹t have cut it off, Phædrus thinks to himself. Were he a real Truth-seeker and not a propagandist for a particular point of view he would not." ZaMM Pg 229 Eons ago Marsha had the heretical audacity to suggest that in HER EXPERIENCE static quality (those boxcars called human knowledge) was "ever-changing." How stupid! Everyone knows that "static" means "little or no change." After years of vicious diatribes that usually conclude that she is a "nihilistic,anti-intellectual, psychopathic troll" we read in the Chairman's latest edict: > dmb says: > > No, David, that's not helpful. Nobody said that static patterns entail > "complete identity". In fact, I don't know what that means. Nobody said that > static patterns can never change. Since the MOQ frames them in an evolutionary > hierarchy and has a pragmatic theory of provisional and plural truth, it would > be quite foolish and wrong to say static patterns can never change. So now we are down to the idea that "static patterns" do indeed change and they are either "little changing" or "ever-changing." or somewhere in between. What does your experience tell you? And for those of you who have trouble interpreting your experiences without those little Red Books, look in the first one and read: "The real train of knowledge isn¹t a static entity that can be stopped and subdivided. It¹s always going somewhere." ZaMM Pg 165. Oh that RMP had reread that before he published Lila. Oh, and the boxcars? They are being loaded continuously as the train is whizzing down the track. (How do we do that?) While the tattered and crumbling remains of ancient ,discarded, or discounted knowledge are blowing past the caboose like the money off the motorcyclist in a Geico commercial. Little changing? Sounds like an idea of those who spend too much time with their noses in the same two books. Look up from time to time. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Dave Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
