Dr. Ant, > "The MOQ Handbook for Drugs" - PART 1 > > So little time, so many drugs to try in one lifetime! However, the MOQ (with a little help from Dr McWatt can assist you with this quandary) so let's go through the main drugs available at your local corner newsagent and/or local corner hipster and see what we find: > > As we know the MOQ divides static reality into four levels which are put in a hierarchy of moral orders starting with the least "moral" (or less developed along the path of cosmological evolution) to the most moral i.e. in evolutionary order: inorganic, biological, social and intellectual. > > In addition to the four static levels, we also have the Dynamic level (or Code of Art) above the static hierarchy.
Jc: I guess I've been floundering a bit, Ant, if that's the case. I've been operating under the impression that the 4 levels were all inclusive. they described every part of reality. But here you say there is a part of reality that is outside of reality. Ok. Ant: This applies to the rules (or, just as equally, non-rules) that a fine artist might apply to their work where what "feels right" on the canvas, stone or wood is more important than anything else such as making intellectual sense or being socially acceptable. > Jc: The spirit of freedom from all patterns. gotcha. The question alway remains, how can we tell the degenerative from the messianic? being that worship of chaos is nonsensical. But that's ok. Questioning is always a good thing. Ant: > So what are the various drugs generally available and how should Western societies treat them: > > ------------------------------------------- > > LSD. I see that as both an artistic and intellectual drug. As with most of the intellectual and social orientated drugs mentioned in this post, it's quite safe if taken in moderate doses. Things to keep in mind: A trip on LSD takes about 12 hours so don't take it the morning before you have a job interview or meeting the in-laws. It probably is a good idea to have someone round in the house the first time you take it just in case you take too much and have a "bad trip". Jc: I always wanted to try acid. But never had the opportunity except once, and it was such a miniscule amount I felt no effects, though the guy I was with, who split his dose with me, my old friend JD, he was climbing trees (madrone) and eating the berries, he was floating. But I've heard that old hippies get flashbacked on small doses and JD is definitely an old hippie. The one experience I can testify to, is my other friend, completely different than JD.. Let's call him CJ since those are his initials. He was suicidal, at UCD. A grad student in biochem and he took acid because he'd been so depressed for so long and ready to end it all anyway, wtf? And it changed his life. He went on to finish his doctorate (on the healing effects of hallucinogens on the brain, of course) Became a Christian and married a girl who was a long time friend of mine, which was how I met him. He was my burning man buddy, in tales told before, but whereas I was there for the beer and the tits, and a slight mercantile quest with my SIP TP. he was there to attend conferences on alternative consciousness and work for the healing of men. He also volunteered in their freakout tent and he was good at it because CJ has a calming personality with a nerdish, quiet demeanor that was soothing. Right now he's in South Africa, doing ibogaine research, trying to see if they can grow it in orchards in the hope of helping people who are alcoholics or addicted to heroin. One ibogaine trip cures heroin addicts, with no side effects or problems. It's fascinating, indeed. > > Legal status: it should be available in government approved "head shops" with well trained staff. I think anyone over 25 (unless they are suffering from clinical depression - not just a bad day at work - which is neither here or there!) should be free to buy it in small doses but with the warnings/caveats given above. Jc: i think it would be best administered by therapists, in safe settings. Or prescribed, but some cultural structure is important, I think. Ant: Anyone aged between 21 and 25 should only be allowed to buy it only after securing parental and/or college written permission given DIRECTLY to the outlet in question. Jc: That might work in your home country, but here there's just too much chaos bubbling under the surface. Powerful tools can be used for bad as well as good. Ant: > > Good music to listen to on LSD: late 1960s Moody Blues, Sgt.Pepper's, Pet Sounds, The White Album. I wouldn't listen to anything too "heavy" though such as Pink Floyd, SMiLE or Abbey Road. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EXCIWlm1fs > > ------------------------------------------- > > PSILOCYBIN MUSHROOMS (aka "magic mushrooms"). Again, both an artistic and intellectual drug. Again, as with > most of the drugs mentioned in this post, it's quite safe if taken in > moderate doses. In fact it's quite safe on immoderate doses (a la Terence McKenna & Bill Hicks) though it is technically possible to overdose on magic mushrooms (while this is meant to be nearly impossible on LSD). I believe that you'd have to be thinking of ten very large punnets plus... > Jc: Now this, I have done. Not often, that's for sure. It's not an addictive drug. It clears up a lot of static baggage, I think. Lately there's been research on Psilocybin curing severe depression and PTSD. I've also read <http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/sep/06/psychedelics-computer-revolution-lsd> that the pioneers of the internet, guys who worked to give us these communicative means, believed in the inspirational powers of hallucinogenics. And I also recall experiments on the aged and dying. I definitely agree, Ant, that the connection to DQ is powerful and important. At the same time, completely non-intellectual. So you've given me something to think about with this idea of a code of art outside of the 4 levels but nevertheless an essential part of experience. I honestly have never discussed this with anybody before. It's certainly not included in ZAMM, Lila or LC. If so, I'd have construe anti-intellectual as a good thing. Since intellect is chained to the wheel of Karma, and only in the realm of artistic imagination can we escape that. Doing Good, rather than serving the real. You've opened my eyes. I thank you. I want to just sit with this for a bit. Happy Father's Day, to myself, and all you dads out there - the most undervalued role in society. John C. > Things to keep in mind: A trip on magic mushrooms takes about 8-10 > hours so, again, don't take it the morning before you have a job interview or > meeting the in-laws for the first time. (Second time maybe but not the first...) It is also probably a good idea to have someone round in > the house the first time you take it just in case you take too much and freak out a little but it's far easier to "control" on large doses than LSD. > > Legal > status: it should be available in government approved "head shops" with > well trained staff. I think anyone over 19 (unless they are suffering > from clinical depression - not just a bad day at work - which is neither > here or there!) should be free to take it but with the > warnings/caveats given above. The uneducated occasionally take poisonous mushrooms in error (and with fatal consequences in rare instances) so you need to source your "mushies" from a reputable source or grow them yourself at home (which is quite easy these days). > > http://www.potseeds.co.uk/spores-mushrooms > > Good music to listen to on magic mushrooms: Jimi Hendrix's Electric Ladyland, ELO, Madness, Moody Blues, Sgt. Pepper's, Pet Sounds, The White Album and the Wondermints. Again, I wouldn't > listen to anything too "heavy" on these such as LET IT BE or the post 75 Pink Floyd albums. However, having said that, if you're in a really good mood to start off with, SMiLE is fantastic to listen to on this drug. Also some 1967-73 Pink Floyd is definitely worth a listen too. (After 1973, they start to get too heavy for my liking largely down to Roger Waters domineering obsession with losing his father in WW2 when a young boy). > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Wzsgnv1J6o > > By the way, I've been told by a reliable source (James Stewart's friend Harvey the Pooka actually), that if you watch the first series of ARRESTED DEVELOPMENT with the sound turned down but with the WHITE ALBUM turned right up; it's absolutely hilarious. Just like being in your own Looney Tunes cartoon with Bugs Bunny (or Harvey the invisible white rabbit even) for eight hours! > > A WARNING NOTE TO THOSE PEOPLE THINKING OF HAVING "CORRECTIVE" EYE SURGERY USING LASERS. NOT ONLY IS IT A RATHER FOOLISH THING TO TRY AND STATICALLY TREAT A DYNAMIC ORGAN SUCH AS AN EYE (WHICH CHANGES CONSIDERABLE OVER A LIFETIME), SUCH AN UNNECESSARY AND INVASIVE TREATMENT WILL ALSO RUIN YOUR PSYCHEDELIC VISUAL EXPERIENCE. PEOPLE HAVE EVOLVED SHORT SIGHT FOR GOOD REASONS AND PSYCHEDELICS ARE ONE OF THEM. > > ------------------------------------------- > > CANNABIS > > Cannabis (aka pot or weed) is the drug used by the Oxford University psychologist Susan Blackmore who stated to the Daily Telegraph in 2005: > > "I can honestly say that without > cannabis, most of my scientific research would never have been done > and most of my books on psychology and evolution would not have been > written." > > > > > www.susanblackmore.co.uk/journalism/telegraphdrugs.htm > > > Cannabis is also a good social drug; and, in fact, the social drug of choice for many intellectuals, fine artists and musicians. However, the latest research does that heavy doses of the drug (usually in the form of the scally sold "skunk") can be harmful to the under-21 brain so that's where it's legal limit needs to go. > > Amsterdam shows the way in how cannabis should be sold i.e. with a wide choice given on menus from mild grass to stronger skunk like products. Probably the most dangerous aspect of cannabis is that it's often combined with tobacco - a seriously carcinogenic and addictive drug. Dr McWatt therefore recommends the use of a bong or a vapouriser for health reasons when using cannabis: > > http://www.unitedpatientsgroup.com/resources/methods-of-consumption > > Things to keep in mind: Cannabis can lead to vague feelings of paranoia if strong variations are smoked too often. > > Legal > status: it should be available in government approved "head shops" with > well trained staff. I think anyone over 21 should be free to take it but with the > warnings/caveats given above. > > Good music to listen to on cannabis: The mid-sixties albums of the Beatles and Beach Boys such as Today, Rubber Soul and Revolver. The later Beatle albums such as Sgt. Pepper's, Abbey Road and LET IT BE are good on it too as are most Jimi Hendrix tracks, Mike Oldfied, Badfinger, Fleetwood Mac, ELO, Moody Blues, The Wondermints and Pink Floyd. Jazz LPs such as Mile Davis's "A Kind of Blue" are definitely worth listening too on this drug. A splendid time is guaranteed for all... > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgPeNbdU9dI > > > In the remaining post/s for the "MOQ Handbook for Drugs", WE WILL CONTINUE WITH SOCIAL DRUGS SUCH AS ECSTASY, SO-CALLED LEGAL HIGHS AND THE "LESS MORAL" DRUGS (SUCH AS ALCOHOL, COCAINE, HEROIN & TOBACCO; the real killer drugs) WHICH NEED CLOSE CONTROLS BOTH PERSONALLY AND LEGALLY DUE TO THEIR MORE DANGEROUS SOCIAL & BIOLOGICAL ASPECTS. > > . > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html -- "finite players play within boundaries. Infinite players play with boundaries." Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
