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Jan-Anders Andersson > 31 jan 2016 x kl. 20:18 skrev Horse <[email protected]>: > > It's a shame that this mailing list can't be like Facebook (in some ways!!!) > with a like button at the bottom! :) > > Horse > > On 31/01/2016 16:39, david wrote: >> Adrie Kintziger said to john carl: >> >> >> ...It is true that i defended the case that James and Royce were in fact >> enemy's but irl de facto friends. My point of view was partially derived >> from the stanford entry about Royce >> (http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/royce/) and after some investigation on >> this page, the Gifford lectures given by Royce as "the world and the >> individual", and subsequently thereafter William James "the variaties of >> religious experience" - as the lead on the stanford page suggested i took >> the effort to compare the two views, and i had to agree with the remarks on >> the stanford page under the header "life", if you want/like to find them. I >> did not invent my point. I honestly found that the narrator was very correct >> in his analysis. >> >> >> >> dmb says: >> >> The Stanford Encyclopedia is considered to be among the most credible >> academic sources, right up there with philosophy Journals and University >> books. And there are many good reasons to draw the conclusion that James and >> Royce had very different views. It's utterly contemptible to dismiss SEP as >> if it were just some guy's opinion or to dismiss the basic facts for being >> the result of "a wrong-headed academic bias". This is just the commonly >> heard anti-intellectual attitude that says "my ignorance is just as good as >> your knowledge". "For some reason," John says, "I didn't fit in >> with the Stanford Encyclopedia of Dogmatic Authority, and so not worthy of >> further discussion or interest" and, he says, "I was ignored and vilified as >> a troll". >> >> >> William James said that he and Royce loved each other like "Siamese twins," >> but it's also true that they were opposed philosophically and that James >> said he wanted to destroy the absolute, wanted its "scalp". Royce was an >> advocate of Idealism and Monism while James was a Pluralist and a Radical >> Empiricist. James spells out the difference is one of his essays on Radical >> Empiricism, a piece called "Absolutism and Empiricism," and the life-long >> debate between the two men is somewhat famously known as "the battle of the >> Absolute". >> >> >> "James abused Hegel merrily," his biography says. 'Of all mental turpitude >> and rottennesses,' he thought, Hegelianism takes the cake. 'The worst of it >> is,' James told Hall, it makes an absolute sterility where it comes.' James >> wrote Royce in February 1880, groaning that 'my ignorant prejudice against >> all Hegelians except Hegel himself grows wusser and wusser. Their Sacerdotal >> airs! And their sterility!' ...He told Xenos Clark in December 1880, 'The >> Hegelian wave which seems to me only another desperate attempt to make a >> short cut to paradise, is deluging the College this year and will, if I am >> not mistake, completely sterilize its votaries'. ...He added his by now >> reflexist reaction to Hegel ('fundamentally rotten and charlatanish'), but >> went on to concede that 'as a reaction against materialistic evolutionism it >> has a use, only this evolution is is fertile while Hegelism is absolutely >> sterile'." -- Robert Richardson, William James in the Maelstrom of American >> Modernism, page >> 214. >> >> >> There are some points in common, of course, but these are very different >> visions, from different schools of philosophy, held by people with very >> different temperaments. I see no good reason to pretend they are similar or >> compatible and l see lots of good reasons for being clear about the >> distinctions between them. Otherwise it's just the philosophical version of >> pounding a square peg into a round hole. You're only going to damage one or >> both of them in the effort. It's wreckless vandalism and if John feels >> persecuted by this obvious criticism, then he has a problem that cannot be >> solved by anyone but him. >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> dmb >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > -- > > > "Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments > that take our breath away." > — Bob Moorehead > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
