When the Trenchcoat Mafia's massacre in Colorado occurred, I shook my head 
and thought, "Gee, I was a social outcast, too.  My friends and I 
half-jokingly discussed mock attacks on teachers and schoolmates... we staged 
bottle-rocket wars in the schoolyard, though not with homemade explosives.  
But I even obtained a bootleg copy of the Anarchist's Handbook from a local 
BBS.  And trenchcoats were quite the fashion for pariahs in my high school as 
well."

I wondered where my friends and I went "right" rather than wrong.  None of 
the guys in my circle had close relationships with their parents, nor did 
I... therefore I think social quality, or 'family values', had little 
directly to do with our failure to progress from social outcasts to genuine 
sociopaths.  I think it was mostly intellectual, a conscious decision to 
avoid such an ignominious end.

Having such experience, I feel more kinship with the attackers than the 
victims.

I have read of monks that knowledge of sin can be an asset in helping others 
to avoid it.  I do not know whether that is widely held true, but it has the 
ring of truth.  Why should first-hand experience of fallibility be a guide to 
excellence?  Isn't it said that the hand that is burned takes advice about 
fire to the heart?

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I think the MoQ would state that if "perfection" denotes an ultimate absolute 
state, then it is highly undesirable.  It does not allow DQ; instead it 
assumes that a set of static conditions (however you define them) are the 
ultimate goal, and that makes it dogma.

I think it far more likely that "perfection," if desirable, is a process, not 
a goal.  It is akin to an iterative function whose limit approaches infinity: 
one never quite reaches the supposed final iteration.  One just keeps 
'plugging away'.

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In the history of science, one sees many examples of seminal "discoveries" 
made by separate parties.  For example, non-Euclidean geometry, invented by 
Poincare, closely followed by Bolyai, Lobachevski and Riemann.

I think we see a different sort of convergence in society, for example, when 
individuals in varying cultures invent similar laws, or when varying 
individuals within a culture come to similar conclusions, as at moq.org.  
Everyone is on the same Quality track, whether driving the engine, hopping 
the boxcars or hotfooting it among the railroad ties; at certain times, in 
some ways, we converge.

One may also draw parallels in biology.  Consider the very different 
ancestries of gill-breathers and aquatic mammals.

If there is a "perfect" state of society, in which the four levels peaceably 
coexist while admitting the possibility dynamic improvement... well, I think 
it's on the right track now.

We may never completely converge... and if we did, wouldn't that spell the 
beginning of the end of DQ?  Stagnation is death.  Yet I agree with Bill: 
"It's very possible that mankind's descendants will go as far beyond us as we 
have gone beyond the early primitive humans."

Four cents -
Scott


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