Mary and squad, Mary says: Your definition of Quality as the driving force for Good in the Universe sounds somewhat like Socrates' (?)Ultimate Good. An objective Good which stands outside the Universe as an absolute. Pirsig disagrees with this as we know. He absolutely objects to absolutes. In the MOQ there are none, there is only DQ, SQ, and the Moral Codes interacting between the SQ levels. Why is this a problem? Why does the Universe require The Good? Isn't it good enough knowing, as Pirsig tells us, that Value is the only thing that exists? Ken says: An unfortunate choice of wording. What I was trying to say was that Quality is the driving force for the possibilities that existed in the new universe and that because that Quality was responsible for producing all else, including us, then its productions became what we consider to be Good today. It is good because it produced the living universe and us. We fit the system therefore we are embedded in good. I agree with you that there is no objective moral good, only process. If we separate Quality and Value then I also agree with you that Value, etc. is the only thing that exists but I hold that Value results from Quality. The universe does not require Good, only possibility which, of course, results in Good from our point of view. Smart Alec. As for the rest of your post I will have to read it more closely but it looks reasonable at a glance. In any case, thinking back over the posts for the last week or so it looks like we may be closing in on what Pirsig was trying to make clear. Lets quit nitpicking and try to figure out what Pirsig was actually trying to say. Ken MOQ Online Homepage - http://www.moq.org Mail Archive - http://alt.venus.co.uk/hypermail/moq_discuss/ Unsubscribe - http://www.moq.org/md/index.html MD Queries - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
