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> ROGER RESTATES PLATT'S TAKE ON DAVID B.s
> TAKE ON REALITY (and has fun on the way)
>
> It seems talking directly to David is not getting us
> closer, so I thought it
> might be healthier to restate my understanding of
> DB's position using Platt's
> summary.
>
> PLATT:
> I've been reading the exchanges between Roger and
> David with
> interest. Seems their basic disagreement concerns
> Pirsig�s
> definition of (to use Roger's words) "base reality.�
>
>
> ROG:
> I agree, but I borrowed the phrase from Mr P.
>
> PLATT:
> Roger seems to
> say that intellectual patterns are not base reality
> while David claims
> they are.
>
> ROG:
> Nope. I would say that it would be more accurate to
> say that I believe DQ
> (or Direct Experience) is Base Reality, and that
> David believes that there is
> a base reality other than DQ or Direct Experience.
> In This Base Reality of
> David's, the intellect is one fourth of reality
> along with the other 3 value
> levels that are really "out there". David any
> comments?
>
> Oh, and David, if it is really "out there," is it
> labeled? [ie stamped with
> little tags "I am a rabbit,' and "I am the force of
> gravity?" Or perhaps "Hi
> my name is redwing seagull # 653427619554...fly me?"
>
> PLATT:
> Since intellectual patterns are directly experienced
> like
> base reality, one can easily side with David.
>
> ROG:
> Why? I have referenced something similar several
> times in my Pirsig quotes to
> David (about DQ being the leading edge of thought
> itself). Conceptual
> patterns of value are derived from and of the
> preconceptual experience of DQ.
>
> PLATT:
> But since ideas are
> generated after direct experience (the hot stove),
> one could just as
> easily side with Roger.
>
> ROG:
> Oh please please please side with me!!!!
>
>
> Just kidding
>
> Rog
>
> PS -- I am just having fun. I seriously feel
> David's belief is very high in
> quality. Many truths and all......
>
> PPS -- I like your new ideas for discussion too
> Platt. I was hoping to do a
> summary of "Flow" and the MOQ some time soon too.
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