Hi Folks PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING A couple or so items for this month in addition to the usual stuff. The first is regarding unsubscribing (and/or re-subscribing). To do either go to: http://www.moq.org/md/mdsubind.html on the moq.org site where you will find full instructions. Alternatively you can refer to the monthly(?) Charter/Rules/FAQ post (the thing your reading at the moment!). Next, if you send a post from an address which is not on the MD subscription list then it bounces back to me. I get a lot of mail and will normally wipe any posts which bounce. There is no problem with having two subscriptions to the MD list so that you can send and receive from home and work, or wherever. So if your post doesn't get through check the address you sent it from. The last item is regarding the recent fracas over the Lilasquad list that developed during last months discussions. It should be remembered that the LS list is there as a means of focussing on a single subject at a time. The keyword here is FOCUS. I know members don't like having their posts rejected but if it fails to meet the criteria of the list rules etc. then it is likely to distract from the main issue and gets rejected. The LS list may appear static and the moderators tyrannical censors, or however you wish to see it, but the LS has a purpose and it fufills that purpose to the general satisfaction of the majority of members. To balance the LS list we have the MD list which can be as dynamic as members wish it to be. It also serves its intended purpose. Taken together, both the MD and LS lists, along with the other facilities currently available, make moq.org a well balanced site, which also happens to have the endorsement of the person whose work we spend so much time discussing. MOQ.ORG also happens to be (in my not even vaguely humble opinion) the best Pirsig/MoQ site on the entire Internet, bar none - so there! Horse 5 Sept. 1999 ********* NEWS ************ There are three new essays on forum The Lost World (4 Sept '99) Scott Welsh looks at the problem of raising children in today's society. Are we losing them and what can we do to win them back? On Quality (28 Aug '99) A critical reading of Robert M. Pirsig's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance and Lila. A Complete postgraduate thesis from Ian Hornsby which adopts a narrative style modelled on Pirsig's contemplation of composition and Quality. Creating an Organismic MOQ (19 Aug '99) John Beasley surveys a number of the key strands in the thinking of Robert M Pirsig from the perspective of the organism, a perspective that allows bridging between the ideas of a metaphysics, the encounter with different levels of experience, and the ability to encounter dynamic quality within unmediated experience You can read all of these at http://www.moq.org There is also a new interview with Pirsig in a Canadian newspaper, you can read the online version here: http://www.globeandmail.com/gam/Focus/19990828/FC28ZEN.html ***************************************************** The faq, rules and charter for MOQ_DISCUSS are below. Please have at least a cursory glance at them, if to do no more than remind yourselves of which ones you regularly ignore. ***************************************************** MOQ_DISCUSS CHARTER The MOQ_DISCUSS mailing list exists to provide a general and free- ranging forum for the discussion of Robert M. 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Each month we take a single question and investigate it to the exclusion of all else. The LS is moderated so if you send a post that is not directly related to the monthly PROGRAM then it will not be allowed into the discussion. Think of MOQ.org as a giant online conference - in one room we have lectures, in another we have workshops and in another we have open dialog. By offering a variety of methods of communication we create a richer and more productive experience for all participants: you can send essays to the Forum, you can join the MD open area or the LS workshops, you can enjoy private converstions with other members or you can just sit at the back and lurk if you want. We don't ask you to participate in everything, but we do ask that you respect the distinctions between the different areas of MOQ.org and help us make them all good in their own ways. I have something to say that is relevant to both MD and LS, can I post it to both? 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There may well be people reading and learning from your posts -- you just can't tell. Don't take it personally and keep on posting. Keep your posts relevant, well-informed and courteous and you'll soon win the respect of the group. Somebody has made a nasty, sarcastic reply to one of my posts, what should I do? This is a philosophy discussion group and there's really no need for this kind of behaviour, but still, it happens. Don't waste your energy on it. Either reply calmly asking for clarification, or ignore it and devote your time to something more constructive instead. How can I send an essay for the Forum on the MOQ.org website? Send it to the webmaster, ie Diana: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> preferably in plain text in the body of an email. Please don't use any fancy formatting unless essential because we'll just have to undo it all to convert it to HTML for publishing on the web. How can I send a bio for the Members page on the website? 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