Greetings,

Alright Jonathan, for the sake of the argument and clarity I shall restrict myself to 
saying that I
have yet to meet anyone who claims that SO thought is the exclusive measure of reality 
to the
exclusion of ethics. I mean it quite seriously. My brother, for example, is a self 
confessed, 'dyed
in the wool logical positivist,' (his words) and an astronomy researcher who, one 
would suspect,
would be as far away from Pirsig as anyone could be. But he would never agree with 
that statement
and neither would anybody else. I have asked many (and I mean many) academics to 
clarify their view
on almost that exact question and have never had anyone take the position that 
dialectic is the
exclusive measure of reality. Perhaps you would be kind enough to point me to those 
who do. I am
fascinated.

JONATHAN:
"You can hardly build a good DAM if you don't give a DAMN :-)
As for the "cute" line about deep-down superficiality, cute but
rubbish. It's so profound that IMO Pirsig took it as the starting point
for his two-novel journey."

And you say my line was cute. :-)

Forgive me, but to me there is nothing profound about stating the obvious. As in my 
first paragraph,
I genuinely never meet people who think otherwise. Perhaps I move in the wrong 
circles, but if I
thought that this really was the starting point I would retire gracefully from the 
forum and take up
humanoid corn dolly construction. This is not a revelation to me and I am surprised if 
it is a
revelation to others.

Struan
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Struan Hellier
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"All our best activities involve desires which are disciplined and
purified in the process."
(Iris Murdoch)



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