Greetings,

Dan, my point was not that people who take drugs are 'brainless oafs,' but that people 
who think
drugs have any place in Zen Buddhism are. I didn't pass judgement upon those who take 
drugs (Notice
that I haven't said I don't take, or haven't taken, drugs) and was even at pains to 
label the point,
lest I be misunderstood. Next, if someone were serious about Zen they simply would not 
want to take
drugs and that is that. Finally, God forbid we should bring morals into an argument 
about the MoQ.
That really would not do, would it?

Let us hope that the matter is now clarified and that all of us can come down from the 
ceiling long
enough to read each others' postings properly.

On another matter, David Lind is absolutely right. The best things take time. The 
shallow
pseudo-dynamism of drug taking is the resort of the weak minded, stupid and lazy. It 
bears no
comparison to the dynamic experience of mastering a musical instrument, the tools of 
the sculptor,
the brush of the artist, or hearing with a trained ear the music of Du Pre, or 
Perlman, or listening
to Stephen Hawking giving a lecture and understanding how dynamic and how beautiful he 
is, or a
great opera by Wagner . . . . etc, etc. How dull, how lifeless and how futile is the 
surreptitious,
schoolboy thrill of popping a chemical in your mouth. Dan, you may feel sad that some 
people don't
know what an experience taking drugs can be. I say to you that, if that is your idea of
mind-blowing, you have a very deprived existence.

Struan

P.S DMB. You are a very, very sad individual indeed. You simply get everything 
completely wrong.
>From my past experiences with drugs to the claimed recipient of David Lind's apology, 
>your posting
at me was invention after invention followed by lack of comprehension and lies. Why is 
this? What is
it that you find so difficult about reading? How long do we have to put up with it? 
Can you not
address the issue of your incompetence? You are an embarrassment to yourself and the 
forum.

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Struan Hellier
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"The worst readers take away a few things they
can use, dirty and confound the remainder,
and revile the whole." (Nietzsche).



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