Scott joins in the general free-for-all:
Clark wrote:
[Pirsig] said that the naturally occurring universe as it came into being
contained all of these concepts [Quality, Morality, Value and Good] simply
because it did come into being under the impetus of some force.... [snip] We
cannot always act in accordance with what is Moral and Good and has Value in
terms of the universe (Pirsig's definition) because we do not completely
understand the workings of the universe.... [snip again to later] It looks to
me like what Pirsig has done is to give us a rational God....
Scott whimpers:
Seems to me Pirsig did a lot to emphasize that concepts such as 'rationality'
are human inventions. Call me a semantic nit-picker, but when semantic tools
are all we have, the medium really IS the message.
Clark went on:
We first have to ask two questions. Is [choose some particular moral
question] universally Moral and if so, is it moral in terms of human
relations. If the answer to the first question is no then the answer to the
second question is also no.
Scott counters:
'Human relations' sounds like a subset of the Social stratum of the MoQ. I
thought judging relative values of moral judgments between MoQ strata was
already demonstrated. D'you mind elaborating on this, 'cause if I understand
it, I disagree wholeheartedly; therefore, I assume I just don't understand
it. :-)
-Scott
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