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From: PzEph <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: MD !!!!MEMES!!!
> PUZZLED ELEPHANT TO KENNETH
>
> I still have worries about "idea"....
> ELEPHANT:
> Well, James Lovelock (who invented the Gaia concept, not as a new age
> religion, but as a scientific hypothesis that explains some strange
> feed-back loops rather beautifully) doesn't take kindly to the notion that
> Gaia has ideas. It won't be Nature who gets rid of us when the time
comes,
> because Nature isn't an agent in the relevent (moral) sense. No, it will
be
> ourselves: 'shooting yourself in the foot' is the relevant expression
here,
> and whoever heard of calling a bullet 'conscious'?
>
> Also, I don't think it is right to think of Quality as itself a personal
> force which always get's it's way. Anybody who want's to say something
> about Quality and the problem of evil can jump right in. The triumph of
> Quality, like the triumph of Good, depends on the decisions we take,
doesn't
> it?
<< Of course, quite !! But, as a memetisist I ask you the question, do I
take or do I make my own decisions ? If I ' take' them, I can assume I am
an egoist, if I ' make ' my decisions, there is a grain of compassion some-
where...There is a difference...there is a twist and turn....
In both ways, Quality is not of the same order...the first is not quite a
triumph,
in the second case Quality is not determined....
Best regards,
Kenneth
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