[Case] When I think of it, for all his talk about Indians in terms of the inspiration they provided him, from the peyote ritual and brujo legend, does Pirsig ever really make a connection between Native Americans and the MoQ? He says Indians have it and that whites borrowed some from them but the connection between them and the MoQ remains understated.
[x] "Just like a white man. Has to have everything just right." "Dusenberry smiled with a kind of arch smile. He said, 'One time they were supposed to have the food, you know, from before the white men came. Blueberries and venison and all that and so what did they do? They broke out three cans of DelMonte corn and started opening all the cans with a can opener. I stood it as long as I could. Finally I told them "No! No! No! Not canned corn," and they laughed at me. They said, "Just like a white man. Has to have everything just right." Then after that, all night long they did everything the way I said and they thought that was an even bigger joke because now they weren't only using white man's corn they were having a white man run the ceremony. And they were all laughing at me. They're always doing stuff like that." MOQ is not a "philosophy" it is more a subjective method of apprehending clarity Natives are a more socially subjective culture Quality is subjective Time and space are relative to the observer Quality works better as a subjective noun. "'I've seen these "objective" workers come on the reservations,' he said, 'and get absolutely nowhere . . . There's this pseudo-science myth that when you're "objective" you just disappear from the face of the earth and see everything undistorted, as it really is, like God from heaven. But that's rubbish. When a person's objective his attitude is remote. He gets a sort of stony, distant look on his face. The Indians see that. They see it better than we do. And when they see it they don't like it. They don't know where in hell these "objective" anthros are at and it makes them suspicious, so they clam up and don't say anything . . .(IE. Marsha's clip on Lila Lila is represented the same way as to her reaction to "the captains" questions) 'Or they'll just tell them nonsense ... which of course a lot of the anthros believe at first because they got it "objectively" . . . and the Indians sometimes laugh at them behind their backs. 'Some of these anthropologists make big names for themselves in their departments,' Dusenberry said, 'because they know all that jargon. But they really don't know as much as they think they do. And they especially don't like people who tell them so ... which I do ..." He laughed. 'So that's why I'm not objective about Indians,' he said. 'I believe in them and they believe in me and that makes all the difference." -From "Lila" Back off and look at the book as a whole, subjectively. As the Eagle would. And the patterns of value emerge. The story "Lila" is the connection. -X moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
