Quoting Case <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > [Platt] > That the universe has no purpose is as much a conjecture on your part as > that it does have purpose is conjecture on mine. In other words, to > claim you are honest and those who believe differently are not is pure > arrogance.
> [Case] > I have not claimed that others are dishonest. I do not regard self > delusion as dishonesty. But it does seem to me that burden of proof > rests on those who claim there is a purpose. Obviously if you admit > that the inorganic world is purposeful, you could claim any number of > possible purposes. So I would think that in claiming a purpose for > nature you have an obligation not only to show that there is any > purpose at all, but that the purpose you envision is the True purpose. > Maybe it is arrogance but I think the whole enterprise is vanity and > chasing the wind. To each his own. I notice you failed to respond to the obvious fact of human purpose not to mention the purpose of life to survive and reproduce -- an inexplicable urge to materialists and reductionists whose purpose is to know. > [Platt] > Plenty of evidence for both if you are willing to look and keep an open > mind. Just the fact that you and I are purposeful beings and are part of > the universe belies the assertion that the universe is without purpose. > As for psi effects, plenty of those around in scientific experiments, > like the Princeton experiments mentioned before. > [Case] > How open does your mind need to be to see this stuff? If you leave your > mind open long enough all manner of weirdness can come in. Take these > psi effects you cited before. They seemed at best very small. They did > not take certain variables into account. They could not be replicated, > even in the lab that published the reports. That pretty well sums up the > results of this kind of research. It is not that research in this area > has not been done; it is that it has failed to produce even a trace of > evidence. Not a trace? In the interests of opening minds, you might want to take a look at: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/conscuniv.htm Platt moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
