[Micah] "Nothing can be shown to exist independent of humans" is an objective statement. It is fact.
[x] If we can not know anything but what our sensory organs tell us, there must be something to sense outside of ourselves, therefore humans must exist independant of reality or we'd be sensing only ourselves or else how would one gain any knowledge? we would have to be born with the totallity of reality already known if it were not so. Science would then be psychiatry by that reasoning, would'nt it? are you suggesting that all of reality is the contruction of YOUR mind alone since there is no way to prove otherwise? This alludes to the idea of some sort of narcitheism, is it that you percieve that you are "god" in this universe? and we are all figments of your thought? [Micah] Is there a non human point of view? [x] It is of interest to note that while some dolphins are reported to have learned English (up to fifty words used in correct context) no human being has been reported to have learned Dolphinese. - Carl Sagan moq_discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org.uk/pipermail/moq_discuss_archive/
